Equlity. Good thing or not?

[poddster]

This is a simple poll (or is it );-)B-)]:)

The question is:-

Should all people be equal?

Give ita bit of thought before you answer.

If you answer Yes

Why did you answer in the affirmative?

Describe the :"equal" person that everyone should modeled on

If you answer No

Why did you answer in he negative?

[bella_again]

Equality is about all INDIVIDUALS having the opportunity to live in society that provides a level playing field. A society that allows opportunities and removes barriers for those people in our society who can't achieve for whatever reason.

Exactly, very well said. Now why on earth have the last few pages of this thread become a match between Iza and CM???

CM seriously you forget that not everyone possesses the ability to achieve in the way you do for what ever reason.  Not everyone can pack up and move they don't have the resources or support to do so.  I applaud you for what you as a family have achieved.  I suspect its much more than what you have shared on this board.As an individual you do have a lot of information to share that is helpful and does challenge people to think.

Iza I don't think your achievements are of any less value they are just different to CM's. You both offer each other a different perspective and that's a good thing but when it gets personal its such a shame. Be confident in who you are and your achievements which I think are far greater than you share here. It's not easy facing financial hardship and most of know the reality of that esp as carers.

So anyway back to equality I agree with Martini many of you have missed the meaning of equality.  She ele explained it well in an earlier post as for other references to equality my question from way back still stands how do you quantify equality?

[i-need-a-martini]

Give up while you still have your sanity, Martini. I think what we are dealing with here is  something the Catholic Church calls 'invincible Ignorance.'

Sometimes people just astound me she_el.

[poddster]

According to this definition, the notion of ‘complete’ or ‘absolute’ equality is self-contradictory. Two non-identical objects are never completely equal; they are different at least in their spatiotemporal location.

And yet there is a multitude of people pursuing the Holy Grail illusion of Equality.

Peoples' effort would be better utilized in recognizing and embracing the various differences in people instead of trying to homogenize the mix into the grey goo of faux equality

.

[the_great_she_elephant]

Give up while you still have your sanity, Martini. I think what we are dealing with here is  something the Catholic Church calls 'invincible Ignorance.'

According to this definition, the notion of ‘complete’ or ‘absolute’ equality is self-contradictory. Two non-identical objects are never completely equal; they are different at least in their spatiotemporal location.

And yet there is a multitude of people pursuing the Holy Grail illusion of Equality.

Peoples' effort would be better utilized in recognizing and embracing the various differences in people instead of trying to homogenize the mix into the grey goo of faux equality

I rest my case.

.

[i-need-a-martini]

Try not to read things too literally poddster.

The paper is going through the definitions. In this paragraph they are talking about qualitative equality and how this is affected by space, time and matter. Two different objects (lets say a house and a human) are not the equal. But even if things were the same (lets say a male human and a female human) then they also can't be called equal but they can be called identical simply because they belong to the same species.

It's philosophical semantics.

[poddster]

 But even if things were the same (lets say a male human and a female human) then they also can't be called equal but they can be called identical simply because they belong to the same species.

1. Being the same: another orator who used the senator's identical words.

2. Exactly equal and alike.

3. Having such a close similarity or resemblance as to be essentially equal or interchangeable.

4. Biology Of or relating to a twin or twins developed from the same fertilized ovum and having the same genetic makeup and closely similar appearance; monozygotic.

I am aware that some people are confused as to what gender they are and some try very hard to assimilate to the opposite gender but you could not, under ANY circumstances, call a male of the species and the female of the species IDENTICAL.

[j*oono]

Yay Martini!  Good for you 🙂  What a wonderful explanation.

[*crikey*mate*]

Equality is about all INDIVIDUALS having the opportunity to live in society that provides a level playing field. A society that allows opportunities and removes barriers for those people in our society who can't achieve for whatever reason.

Exactly, very well said. Now why on earth have the last few pages of this thread become a match between Iza and CM???

CM seriously you forget that not everyone possesses the ability to achieve in the way you do for what ever reason.  Not everyone can pack up and move they don't have the resources or support to do so.  I applaud you for what you as a family have achieved.  I suspect its much more than what you have shared on this board.As an individual you do have a lot of information to share that is helpful and does challenge people to think.

Iza I don't think your achievements are of any less value they are just different to CM's. You both offer each other a different perspective and that's a good thing but when it gets personal its such a shame. Be confident in who you are and your achievements which I think are far greater than you share here. It's not easy facing financial hardship and most of know the reality of that esp as carers.

So anyway back to equality I agree with Martini many of you have missed the meaning of equality.  She ele explained it well in an earlier post as for other references to equality my question from way back still stands how do you quantify equality?

Hi Bella - A particular point in your post has caused me to ruminate for a fair while now, and whilst I hesitate to say anything, I now find it impossible not to.

First and foremost, you know I have enormous respect for what you have done, what you do and what you continue to do for not only your kids, but for many others as well. You have far more on your plate than anyone else I know of in "our world", yet your heart and actions still extend to embrace many others also in need of you.

However - your comment about me not understanding that "not everyone has the means to move etc etc [sic]" has really affected me, because to me - especially for the general Australian population, that translates to - they weren't prepared to or didn't try hard enough.

There are kids and families in this world who have walked for days through enemy territory, with their parents (if they still have them and haven't had to watch them be tortured, maimed or killed already) walking before them so that they step on the land mines littering the tracks, rather than their kids - firstly, just to escape to somewhere a little morer safe than where they came from - but then THOUSANDS of them walk further, under the same conditions - often injured (a 9 year old with a buillet and buckshot in their thigh for example) just to get to somewhere where they can attend a school and get some sort of education. Whilst there, they sleep on dirt floors and some of them even get to sleep under some sort of roof - if they're really lucky, they make it to somewhere where there is sometimes clean water. And they do it all with the clothes on their back.

So resources and support? I'm really sorry - but that just doesn't equate with promoting equality by eliminating staircases and building lifts in every single building.

Aren't these kids and families entitled to some sort of equality? Is their worth less than that of an Australian? A land of people who value and set the benchmark for equality by building elevators in their nice buildings over feeding, educating and supplying basic needs to other kids and their families?

Yeah, people on this thread have condemned me for my views, without realizing how short sighted and narrow minded they really are. Or is it that sitting here in our nice little houses behind our computers that we forget that there are more people in the world than just us Aussies who "don't have ability or resources" to change their lives if they want to?

[*crikey*mate*]

It's philosophical semantics.

Yep - that about sums up what equality is, eh?

[*crikey*mate*]

This woman is a single mum, works full time and is a Tetraplegic (non traumatic).

http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=5&gs_ri=psy-ab&cp=21&gs_id=2&xhr=t&q=Fiona+Kumar...

http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=5&gs_ri=psy-ab&cp=21&gs_id=2&xhr=t&q=Fiona+Kumar...