Evolution - Yes again.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

Can someone please read this information, and Yes, it's a creationist site, but it explains the  life-from-nothing / evolution theory and how it is flawed..

I understand most of what he is saying, and the arguments seem very logical to me, but, I have no way of knowing whether the Science he is quoting is correct or has subsequently been debunked.

I would appreciate if someone with a bit more knowledge in DNA / RNA / proteins / cell regeneration / cell division etc could advise me.

By the way, he also quotes Dawkin's Ancestor's Tale and how, with recent developments at least some of the assumptions that Dawkins makes are impossible.

Can we PLEASE see if we can keep this thread civil and on-topic.

There is a lot more info on this site too, but first can we look at and discuss:

http://creation.com/genetic-code-intelligence

http://creation.com/meta-information

[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@opmania wrote:

If you went to church on Sunday and your priest told you that Jesus had returned to earth

no pictures no solid evidence just a statement of the fact

would you believe him ?

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I'd know I am hallucinating because I don't go to church on Sunday (or any other day) and I definately don't have a priest.

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

made no mention of the big bang theory

Maybe what believers call God actually is the big bang

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Maybe God caused the BIG BANG and controlled it so that the otherwise resulting confusion became order?

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I can accept there may have been a catalyst - something that precipitated the BIG BANG and that one might just as well call it God as Singularity or Agent X but I cannot bring myself to accept that  this catalyst is a sentient being that thinks, feels and behaves exactly like a human being and demands that we look on it as a father and worship it. Try as I might, I simply cannot concieve of any   scenario in which this makes sense or is even possible.

[curmu-curmu]

Rabbit - time and again in this and other threads, you've asked for/demanded evidence for evolution, yet time and again when same is offred to you, you scoff, choose to ignore it or state that 'it simply couldn't happen'.

Not once have you offered any proof of your arguments, save for 'I believe it', or 'I think this is what happened'.

Believing it doesn't make it real! Lots of people have deeply-held beliefs - but most aren't real. It's quite surprising what the human mind is capable of conjuring up.

Chemtrails,

Reptilians in government,

The Illuminati,

Nibiru the rogue planet,

Sadistic, vengeful cops,

Red Sea chariots,

The list goes on and on - yet curiously, when asked to give proof, these people tend to shy away, distract and deny.

Any further attempt to convince you of the logic of evolution is a pointless exercise - like many religious persons, you've made up your mind, have preconcieved notions about what you believe and what's fantasy - which is OK - we all do that, but some of us will actually seek out logical answers, rather than simply say...'God diddit!'

In my experience with theists over the years, I've come to the realization that many of them are terrified of the permanence of death - and so choose to believe in a god and afterlife, as a way of salving their egos.

It's a well-known fact that if you repeat a mantra long enough, or convince yourself of something, it becomes implanted into the subconscious, which then reinforces the conscious, which then reinforces the subconscious...and around it goes.

There is just so much information available on the internet for anyone curious enough to investigate, but you'd need to do it with an open mind!

We all know that sooner or later we will die - it's just that some of us have come to terms with the fact. Don't have to like it...but there's not a whole lot of choice in the matter, is there?

I died for a couple of minutes on the operating table some 10 years ago - twice. Never saw any white lights, pearly gates or fire and brimstone!

[rabbitearbandicoot]

curmu wote:"Rabbit - time and again in this and other threads, you've asked for/demanded evidence for evolution, yet time and again when same is offred to you, you scoff, choose to ignore it or state that 'it simply couldn't happen'."

I asked Bob and I ask you - show me one piece of evidence and let's discuss it. It's no good drowning me in links to read - just let's talk about one piece at a time.

curmu wote: "I died for a couple of minutes on the operating table some 10 years ago - twice. Never saw any white lights, pearly gates or fire and brimstone!"

I wouldn't have expected you to even if you had stayed dead. When you're dead guess what? You're DEAD. There is no white lights, pearly gates or fire and brimstone.

[opmania]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

curmu wote:"Rabbit - time and again in this and other threads, you've asked for/demanded evidence for evolution, yet time and again when same is offred to you, you scoff, choose to ignore it or state that 'it simply couldn't happen'."

I asked Bob and I ask you - show me one piece of evidence and let's discuss it. It's no good drowning me in links to read - just let's talk about one piece at a time.

curmu wote: "I died for a couple of minutes on the operating table some 10 years ago - twice. Never saw any white lights, pearly gates or fire and brimstone!"

I wouldn't have expected you to even if you had stayed dead. When you're dead guess what? You're DEAD. There is no white lights, pearly gates or fire and brimstone.

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so you

so you have no beliefs and you don't believe in evolution what is your version of our existence ?

[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@opmania wrote:

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

curmu wote:"Rabbit - time and again in this and other threads, you've asked for/demanded evidence for evolution, yet time and again when same is offred to you, you scoff, choose to ignore it or state that 'it simply couldn't happen'."

I asked Bob and I ask you - show me one piece of evidence and let's discuss it. It's no good drowning me in links to read - just let's talk about one piece at a time.

curmu wote: "I died for a couple of minutes on the operating table some 10 years ago - twice. Never saw any white lights, pearly gates or fire and brimstone!"

I wouldn't have expected you to even if you had stayed dead. When you're dead guess what? You're DEAD. There is no white lights, pearly gates or fire and brimstone.

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so you have no beliefs and you don't believe in evolution what is your version of our existence ?

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I certainly DO have beliefs, but an immortal soul, and burning in hell for eternity are not amongst them neither is everyone goes to either heaven  or hell.

[curmu-curmu]

"I asked Bob and I ask you - show me one piece of evidence and let's discuss it. It's no good drowning me in links to read - just let's talk about one piece at a time."

I don't know about Bob, but I've done exactly that  many times over, as have others. It seems that every time we do, the subject then gets changed - and you go off on yet another tangent. Topics for example, were:

Ring Species,

Fossil records,

The universal genetic code,

Common traits in embryos.(this is a particular favourite - if we are god's chosen, and rank above all other creatures, and are made in god's image, why then do human embryos carry gills and tails, before they develop in utero?)

That's just a few. No, you don't want to look them up, because you know full well the information may just challenge your faith - and that's just unacceptable, isn't it?

I don't intend to commit myself to spending hours debating the logic of evolution, only to have it all dismissed out of hand.

Rather than challenge us as you are wont to do, why not actually investigate the information yourself? Then we can discuss your findings.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@curmu-curmu wrote:

"I asked Bob and I ask you - show me one piece of evidence and let's discuss it. It's no good drowning me in links to read - just let's talk about one piece at a time."

I don't know about Bob, but I've done exactly that  many times over, as have others. It seems that every time we do, the subject then gets changed - and you go off on yet another tangent. Topics for example, were:

Ring Species,

Fossil records,

The universal genetic code,

Common traits in embryos.(this is a particular favourite - if we are god's chosen, and rank above all other creatures, and are made in god's image, why then do human embryos carry gills and tails, before they develop in utero?)

That's just a few. No, you don't want to look them up, because you know full well the information may just challenge your faith - and that's just unacceptable, isn't it?

I don't intend to commit myself to spending hours debating the logic of evolution, only to have it all dismissed out of hand.

Rather than challenge us as you are wont to do, why not actually investigate the information yourself? Then we can discuss your findings.

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OK. Pick one. Let's take your favourite if you like 'human embryos".

[curmu-curmu]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

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OK. Pick one. Let's take your favourite if you like 'human embryos".

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I'm good with that. But before any debate takes place, you'll need to research the facts prior. Googling 'human embryo gills' will take you to a myriad of sites - and curiously, the ONLY ones that discount the theory, are the religious sites. A classic example of distorting the facts to suit an agenda.

Anyway, here's just a couple worth looking into...

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evodevo_02

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/06/14/are-the-gill-slits-of-vertebrate-embryos-a-hoax/

and to add balance...

https://answersingenesis.org/evidence-against-evolution/something-fishy-about-gill-slits/

I await your investigations...

[myoclon1cjerk]

And speaking of embryos.

What most of us don’t know is that, not only are we not entirely hairless as adults, we are not even naked in the womb. About four months into a normal nine-month pregnancy, when the fetus is about 5.3 inches (135 mm) long and weighs about 6 ounces (170 g), it grows a moustache! Fine hair forms on the upper lip. Gradually, over the next month or so, this fine hair spreads to eventually cover the entire body! The unborn baby remains completely hairy for many weeks.
This soft, hairy coat is called lanugo. The word is from the Latin lan and means “wooly down”. This hair suit is shed before or soon after birth. Each hair of the lanugo is shed one by one and is then swallowed by the baby. The tiny hairs join mucus, bile, and other products to form a black substance called meconium. Just after birth, this meconium is excreted by the newborn in its first bowel movement. One must admit that this is a rather interesting way of ridding ourselves of our first unwanted clothes!