For those that comment against conditions

[rogespeed]

For those that complain against social isolation and other measures to contain coronavirus citing relatively low casualty rates , and so seeking reducing or removing mitigation social conditions,  Ask yourself this : without the current containment measures how many extra cases would they be ? would our hospital system be overwhelmed and what would be the consequences , and would this result in proportionally many more severe cases, and so many more deaths . Think of those countries who did not respond quick enough. and ask yourself where you would rather live at this time . 

[rogespeed]

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@springyzone wrote:

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@rogespeed wrote:

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@davewil1964 wrote:

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@rogespeed wrote:

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@davidc4430 wrote:

"I did not specifically say " here" as in those who contribute to this forum - my frame of reference is global , but maybe in future I will define my post better regarding those applicable"

i guess its possible our little forum is read globally

so ok, i'll wait and watch to see how many 'global' comentators reply.

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Those that matter do not reply here 

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I doubt those who matter even know this board exists.

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Those that matter definitely don't read the boards, would be my guess. All the same, it is a global forum of sorts.

The real problem is that those who matter are not necessarily experts either, with this virus situation. They are flying by the seats of their pants and taking us along for the ride.

We can only hope that with collaboration with medical professionals and other planners, they will come up with some effective strategies.

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The problem is not technical expertise within any profession but the frame of reference - i noticed this morning the NSW pollies and health officials constantly using the Australian experience as the baseline justifying there poor deadly decisions when they should have been all along using Wuhan , New York and Italy as the baseline reference for evaluating threats 

Is an Australian culture tendency to tend to only act upon that which is of immediate demonstrated threat , so late with contingencies and slow to react to fast changing situations. 

However the sheer overwhelming casualty rates and misery overseas is starting to induce awakening from the ' she-will-be-right" stupor. 

[rogespeed]

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@chameleon54 wrote:

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@rogespeed wrote:

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@davidc4430 wrote:

"I did not specifically say " here" as in those who contribute to this forum - my frame of reference is global , but maybe in future I will define my post better regarding those applicable"

i guess its possible our little forum is read globally

so ok, i'll wait and watch to see how many 'global' comentators reply.

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Those that matter do not reply here 

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Those that matter, wouldnt reply to you if you asked them something directly to their face

Spoiler

unless they had a microphone and TV camera nearby

I think its hilarious when " Those that matter " go on feel good TV adverts saying " We're all in this together " 

Yeah Right.......I,m sure when I get Corona Virus and end up in one of those makeshift emergency hospitals in a caravan park somewhere, Tracy Grimshaw, Richard Wilkins and Peter Dutton will be in the beds along side mine............

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Can also be seen as part of a declared creed meaning " we are all in this together and so no one has the right to behave in a self-indulgent manner which endangers others " - this sentiment empowers established community groups to censure those who are risking the public .

[springyzone]

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@chameleon54 wrote:

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Those that matter, wouldnt reply to you if you asked them something directly to their face

Spoiler

unless they had a microphone and TV camera nearby

I think its hilarious when " Those that matter " go on feel good TV adverts saying " We're all in this together " 

Yeah Right.......I,m sure when I get Corona Virus and end up in one of those makeshift emergency hospitals in a caravan park somewhere, Tracy Grimshaw, Richard Wilkins and Peter Dutton will be in the beds along side mine............

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Exactly, chameleon.

And if there is only one respirator left & it's between you one of them, I hope you've got your will done, let's put it that way.

We may all be in this together but we're not all equally in this together.

Just had a thought. Bet prince Charles had a few experts hovering over him, mild case or not.

[Anonymous]

I am not any kind of medical expert but if a nation goes 4 weeks with no new cases, the virus can't live longer than a week at most on surfaces and our borders remain closed then how can a second wave occur ?

[davewil1964]

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@Anonymous wrote:

I am not any kind of medical expert but if a nation goes 4 weeks with no new cases, the virus can't live longer than a week at most on surfaces and our borders remain closed then how can a second wave occur ?

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No new IDENTIFIED cases...

[icyfroth]

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@davewil1964 wrote:

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@Anonymous wrote:

I am not any kind of medical expert but if a nation goes 4 weeks with no new cases, the virus can't live longer than a week at most on surfaces and our borders remain closed then how can a second wave occur ?

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No new IDENTIFIED cases...

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In other words, they can't tell the difference between a common cold, the 'flu, pneumonia , or COVID.

[davewil1964]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@davewil1964 wrote:

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@Anonymous wrote:

I am not any kind of medical expert but if a nation goes 4 weeks with no new cases, the virus can't live longer than a week at most on surfaces and our borders remain closed then how can a second wave occur ?

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No new IDENTIFIED cases...

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In other words, they can't tell the difference between a common cold, the 'flu, pneumonia , or COVID.

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You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about that.

As I and others have stated, the initial symptoms are similar, so without testing, no they can't.

I'm sure you think they should be considered negative until proven positive, which would result in a probable second wave.

[icyfroth]

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@davewil1964 wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@davewil1964 wrote:

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@Anonymous wrote:

I am not any kind of medical expert but if a nation goes 4 weeks with no new cases, the virus can't live longer than a week at most on surfaces and our borders remain closed then how can a second wave occur ?

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No new IDENTIFIED cases...

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In other words, they can't tell the difference between a common cold, the 'flu, pneumonia , or COVID.

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You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about that.

As I and others have stated, the initial symptoms are similar, so without testing, no they can't.

I'm sure you think they should be considered negative until proven positive, which would result in a probable second wave.

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Maybe, if you want to see the negative without proof of the positive, lol.

[*kazumi*]

The thing is that many people are ASYMPTOMATIC, but contagious.  Even those who develop symptoms are contagious before their symptoms become apparent.  While it is accepted that if the symptoms develop, it usually happens within 14 days, there were people isolated for lot longer, and then came down with CFOVID19.

That way one asymptomatic person, who works in large work place and travels to work on crowded public transport, can infect  large number of people.  That is why limiting our movements, being tested, and then tracing all contacts if we become sick or just test positive, is the best way to contain the virus. 

IF I would start feeling bit off, and went to get tested, and got positive, they would ask me where I was over the past 2 weeks.  That would be easy, I did visit Woolworth once last week, and stopped at chemist on the way back.  I did speak to several neighbors outside, and keeping good distance (lot more than 1.5m).  And my daughter and granddaughter, but they do not come inside the main house, they stay in the cabin, and we talk in the garden; again from safe distance.

Imagine how much complicated would tracing contact would be for somebody who travels on public transport to work, where they interact with large number of people, then after work go to pub, go to a party on the weekend, and their kids go to school, etc,  

[bright.ton42]

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@*kazumi* wrote:

Imagine how much complicated would tracing contact would be for somebody who travels on public transport to work, where they interact with large number of people, then after work go to pub, go to a party on the weekend, and their kids go to school, etc,  

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Put like that, and I agree with it,  one has to wonder will we ever be rid of it.