Four Corners tonight on Halal

[donnashuggy]

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2015/09/07/4305337.htm

[debra9275]

See submission number 874 by the Executive Council of Australian Jewery.

where do I find that?? is it in the link I posted??

[bushies.girl]

If others have np with halal labeled food, that fine, I do, so I refuse to buy it   .... plenty of other choices around these days

[debra9275]

  I just realized something

if the poster isn't here, perhaps those who gave the post kudos have read this submission and can direct me to it- I assume they must've read it

See submission number 874 by the Executive Council of Australian Jewery.

tia

[j*oono]

It's all in here, but I can't see anywhere that it is all self funded or even 90% self funded.  It looks more like 90% paid  for by the consumers and the companies.

http://www.ecaj.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/ECAJ-Submission-on-Kosher-certification.pdf

[debra9275]

thanks Joono 

I just read it, so it's actually a submission to the senate inquiry - i haven't read any submissions as i'm just not that into ti

it says,

We are informed by NSWKA that about

90% of the revenue of NSWKA comes from kosher consumers within the Jewish community, through fees generate

d via kosher catered functions, kosher butchers and other kosher shops.

The revenue from certification

fees paid by manufacturers supplying the general market is only about 10% of the overall revenue. Our understanding is that the amounts involved in the latter are too small to impact on prices. In each case the annual certification fee represents a fraction of a cent per unit produced over the year

maybe wayward got a bit confused by that ? there is the 90% - consumer pays and later on they go on to say they fund jewsih charities same as the the halal people say

so it sounds very similar to halal certification to me - but I'm no expert

[wayward216]

seriously?
Try reading it again.


From their transcript explaining their submission
"Thirdly, as regards fees paid for certification, an estimated 90 per cent of the revenue of the two major kosher certifiers comes from consumers who are specifically looking to purchase kosher products or services. Most, but by no means all, of these consumers come from within the Jewish community. The fees are generated by kosher catered functions, kosher butchers and other kosher shops. The revenue from certification fees paid by manufacturers supplying products to the general market is only about 10 per cent of the overall revenue."

It really doesn't get clearer than that.

[debra9275]

what it actually means is that anyone who buys "kosher" food contributes to the kosher tax revenue..  I think it was donna who said she sometimes buys kosher products  .... or are you saying that to buy kosher food you need to be Jewish ?

[debra9275]

Most, but by no means all, of these consumers come from within the Jewish community.

it's what that sentence means

and that looks crystal clear to me 

[wayward216]

Consider this opinion from the ACAJ and ask if the same philosophy shouldn't also apply to Halal Certification?
"Secondly, we consider truth and accuracy in labelling also to be essential. The submission gives several examples of products being labelled in a way that falsely suggests that they are kosher according to Jewish law. Although Kosher Australia and the Kashrut Authority publish and regularly update their online kosher food guides, it is not always possible or convenient for kosher consumers to check these guides while they are doing their shopping. Fortunately, the distinctive logos of Kosher Australia, the Kashrut Authority and reputable kosher certifiers overseas are well known to most people who keep kosher in Australia. Nevertheless, some of them may be misled by false or deceptive labels. We would welcome any tightening of the law to ensure both proper disclosure and truth and accuracy in labelling."

If you read the submission made by ACAHC on their facebook page their findings were that 62.5% of the Major Australian food companies in Australia withheld information relating to Halal Certification from consumers.
If a company wants to certify then fine, but when they certify and then hide it from people, that's not fine.

[wayward216]

no what it actually means, as it was very clearly written, is that the costs of Kosher certification is funded to around 90% by consumers that seek Kosher certification, the majority being Jewish. So again my original comment stands as absolutely accurate, Kosher is 90% self funded.