GMO's

[k0llectable5]

1. Genetically modified foods (or GM foods) arefoods produced from organisms that have had specific changes introduced into their DNA using the methods of genetic engineering. There a two main types of genetically modified crops. 

Bt, or bacillus thuringiensis, is a type of soil-dwelling bacteria that produces a protein toxic to many insects. Bt crops are engineered to produce the Bt toxin within the plant itself, acting as a built-in insecticide. Bt toxin kills crop pests by dissolving the insect’s gut lining.
Roundup Ready crops are engineered to be resistant to Roundup, a Monsanto brand of herbicide. The active ingredient in Roundup herbicide is glyphosate, a commonly used weed-killer.

I know very little about this topic. I'm Interested to hear what ya'll know or think about GMO foods.

[k0llectable5]

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@debra9275 wrote:

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@this-one-time-at-bandcamp wrote:

Well, when your descendants grow gills and rat tails.........I'll be in the front row, going, "Na na na-na na".......

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that's what worries me... are we going going to be genetically modified in the future from eating this food??

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I think thats inevitable especially when the dna from gmo's is found in the ambilical blood of newborns. 

[cherry*135]

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

Genetically modified plants do not worry me.  We all share some genes with plants and animals.

Secondhand-wonderland:

Even though at this point there is no way of knowing what the long term effects of altering the genome of plants can have on a human population.  

Hopefully Bandcamp has some knowledge of this subject, but when gmo's were introduced into a commercial honey bee population a couple of years ago 96% of the bees died.  Remeber the honey shortage? That was caused by genetically modified plants.

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In Australia? If so, do you have more details about that.  I do remember a honey shortage more than 5 years ago.

 2014

Australia's honey industry is set to deliver the lowest national honey yields in more than a decade due to excessive heat, floods and drought.

Honey supplies have fallen by more than 50 percent, and it's estimated 65 percent agricultural production in Australia depends on pollination by honeybees.

Many bee keepers are struggling to replenish stocks after Australia experienced its hottest year on record in 2013.

Then there is Varroa mite Australia is free of. Which is the reason why travellers aren't allowed to bring honey into Aust. From NZ.

Varroa destructor, a.k.a., Varroa mite: A lot of things can kill a hive, but nothing has devastated beekeeping in America in the last half century more than the accidental introduction of Varroa destructor in the mid-1980s. A tiny parasitic mite, varroa reproduces in brood cells with developing bees. They latch onto the larval bee bodies like a tick, spreading disease and weakening the entire colony. Varroa reproduces fast, and mite populations can and do overwhelm colonies and kill them outright. Varroa is credited with wiping out the wild bee population in North America, and breeding a varroa-resistant bee is the holy grail of American beekeepers.

Australia is one of the few nations in the world to have remained free of varroa mite (so far). And Australia – which has cellphones and towers, migratory and commercial beekeeping, neonic pesticides in agriculture, high fructose corn syrup for supplemental feeding, and environmental factors like drought and urbanization and all the rest and has had zero incidents of colony collapse disorder.

http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/stories/5-things-that-probably-arent-killing-honeybees-and-...

[cherry*135]

More about the bee mite.

"Since the Varroa mite invaded New Zealand several years ago, and Marlborough in 2007, the wild bee population has declined rapidly. The effect of this has been reduced pollination of crops, both commercially and in the home garden, leading to poorer returns.

The effect of these mites on honeybee populations (worldwide) has been enormous, as bees suffer colony collapse disorder (CCD) due in part to varroa infestation and the viruses they carry, along with mistreatment of hives, pesticides and other unknown factors. Whole colonies weaken and die out on a large scale. Feral bee populations as well as domestic hives have been decimated, so vigilance by bee-keepers is vital to control the mite. This, unfortunately, means that honey bees are now reliant on human intervention, as the Varroa mite spreads and with it, introduces various viruses to the weakened colony, including deformed wing virus."

http://www.urbanbees.co.nz/varroa

[k0llectable5]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/death-of-the-bees-genetically-modified-crops-and-the-decline-of-bee-col...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonentine/2013/04/11/science-collapse-disorder-the-real-story-behind-neo...

Alot of the information I have read blaming GMO's for bee population decline is in relation to North America and Canada. Its the neonicotinoids which are sprayed on over 80% of all seeds grown in the US. 

[***super_nova***]

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@debra9275 wrote:

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@this-one-time-at-bandcamp wrote:

Well, when your descendants grow gills and rat tails.........I'll be in the front row, going, "Na na na-na na".......

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that's what worries me... are we going going to be genetically modified in the future from eating this food??

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Why would you be modified?  Once plant is modified the genes become part of it, they will not be modifying you any more than any other genes from our food.

[***super_nova***]

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/death-of-the-bees-genetically-modified-crops-and-the-decline-of-bee-col...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonentine/2013/04/11/science-collapse-disorder-the-real-story-behind-neo...

Alot of the information I have read blaming GMO's for bee population decline is in relation to North America and Canada. Its the neonicotinoids which are sprayed on over 80% of all seeds grown in the US. 

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Are they the same sources that you go for your info about vaccinations? 

The trouble with such misinformation is that it clouds the issue, and prevents people from dealing effectively with the real threats.  While Monsanto is a worry on so many levels, attacking them with flawed arguments is not going to b much help.

[k0llectable5]

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

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@debra9275 wrote:

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@this-one-time-at-bandcamp wrote:

Well, when your descendants grow gills and rat tails.........I'll be in the front row, going, "Na na na-na na".......

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that's what worries me... are we going going to be genetically modified in the future from eating this food??

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Why would you be modified?  Once plant is modified the genes become part of it, they will not be modifying you any more than any other genes from our food.

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Why wouldn't you? How do you know with such certainty that the gmo's wont alter the human genome? Scientists dont even know whether or not this can happen, because there are no tests currently being undertaken to find out any of the long term effects gmo's can have on the human population.  

Here is a study that shows how the massive increase in chronic illness coincides with the introduction of gmo's. 

http://sustainablepulse.com/2013/04/27/dr-swanson-gmos-and-roundup-increase-chronic-diseases-inferti...

http://sustainablepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/GMO-health.pdf

Correlation does not mean causation I know, still some interesting findings in this epidemilogical study by Dr Nancy Swanson. 

Of course you'll see big business trying to discredit this study and others. 

Dr. Nancy Swanson says it's a sad day for science when a scientific journal bows to pressure and retracts a peer-reviewed published paper.

EXCERPT: Not only do the corporations own our governments, they now own science as well. Not only do they control the news via mainstream media, they now control the publication of scientific data. They are determined and relentless in their efforts to suppress evidence of harm from their products. They continually state that they want science-based discussions, but only if they get to choose the data.

 http://permaculturenews.org/2013/10/14/scientific-american-disinformation-gmos/ (well footnoted article) 

[cherry*135]

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/death-of-the-bees-genetically-modified-crops-and-the-decline-of-bee-col...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonentine/2013/04/11/science-collapse-disorder-the-real-story-behind-neo...

Alot of the information I have read blaming GMO's for bee population decline is in relation to North America and Canada. Its the neonicotinoids which are sprayed on over 80% of all seeds grown in the US. 

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Your original comment didn't state that. Countries that don't have geneticaly modified crops also have suffered major bee deaths.

The bee mite is a major problem worldwide with bee decline. Lucky it has been kept out of Australia so far.

[k0llectable5]

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/death-of-the-bees-genetically-modified-crops-and-the-decline-of-bee-col...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonentine/2013/04/11/science-collapse-disorder-the-real-story-behind-neo...

Alot of the information I have read blaming GMO's for bee population decline is in relation to North America and Canada. Its the neonicotinoids which are sprayed on over 80% of all seeds grown in the US. 

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Are they the same sources that you go for your info about vaccinations? 

The trouble with such misinformation is that it clouds the issue, and prevents people from dealing effectively with the real threats.  While Monsanto is a worry on so many levels, attacking them with flawed arguments is not going to b much help.

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Please explain to me what I am posting that is misinformation? People keep accusing me of this yet no one can tell me what parts of my posts are false. 

[cherry*135]

Bees

Colony collapse disorder

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