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davidc4430 · ‎31-10-2018

Geoffrey Rush trial: Actress Eryn Norvill says she felt 'belittled' by sexual gestures

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-30/geoffrey-rush-court-battle-hears-from-eryn-norvill/10445542

i really dont see what the young woman hopes to acheive by this, her carreer if she had one is prolly dead.

i dont think you can place acting into the same area you would most other jobs as far as where the 'line' is between ok behaviour and not ok behaviour.

in acting you can be required to be anying from a rocket scientist to a prostitute.

you can be asked to talk like you know how to fly the apollo moon lander or strip naked and 'pretend' your having sex with your husband or a complete stranger.

so getting 'uncomfotable' with a co-worker 'touching' you seems kinda hard to swallow.

i cant think of any 'normal' jobs where you would be required to do the shyte actors do.

so shes destroyed the reputation of one of the highest regarded actors of our times for what?

because she felt uncomfortable?

or did she just get caught up in the 'me too' typhoon and found herself too involved to get out?

she sure has fame but as to ever acting again i think she will find it difficult.

tasfleur · ‎01-11-2018

The problem is, in my opinion, is that many newspapers (online or on paper) show/make no distinction between the gutter and the genuine truth. In fact, history dictates that journalism in general has always had the reputation of fantasy versus reality versus truth in any direction that suits them, regardless.

Since the internet gave birth to "social media" (and not so very "social" either), it seems anything goes without consequences and the whole world is bombarded with 'electronic' indifference, cruelty, spite, hatred and very little in the way of what is actual reality and truth particularly in this, the 21st century of computerised saturation.

What is most unsettling, not to mention globally dangerous, is that 'people collectors' : that is, those who can convince anyone of anything in the most feeble way having never met them or otherwise, such as conspiracy theorists, appear to be in the majority of faceless, mindless and useless contributors of news, information and sheer fakery overall.

Those who drive the 'bandwagon' gossip mentality to the extreme simply because they can without evidence or without their brains and mouths coordinated, as far as I am concerned, would be far better placed finding something more intelligent and meaningful to do with their lives. Life is too short as it is, and what goes around, comes around either physically, mentally, or both.

Having stated that, I believe almost nothing I hear or watch unless it makes sense in the longer term.

the_great_she_elephant · ‎01-11-2018

@icyfroth wrote:
I find it interesting not one feminist has come out in support of Ms Norvill.

Legally, I don't think anbody is permitted to offer a public opinion one way or the other while the matter is beofre the court.

not_for_sale2025 · ‎01-11-2018

@icyfroth wrote:
I find it interesting not one feminist has come out in support of Ms Norvill.

But isn't that part of the bigger problem? People get all aroused by the media coverage and want to chip in their own two cents worth. They don't make comments on the facts, they base their opinion on the media reports and who they support or don't support. For example, you "think Rush is a sleazebag". That is not relevant to this case, it is only relevant to your opinion. And IMO, we sometimes get so caught up in our subjective views that we form our own conclusions before the case is finalised. I guess that is our entitlement, but what about the facts?

davidc4430 · ‎01-11-2018

davidc4430 · ‎01-11-2018

really well put NFS

i believe the girl believes her version of the facts. shes not making the claims up.

but i also believe mr rush did nothing out of the ordinary when acting a scene in a play.

holding, touching, feeling, ect are something actors do with each other.

would i do that to someone i hardly know, no way. (actually i would have difficulty doing it regardless)

but i'm not an actor. actors must pretend to be what they are not. husbands wives mad scientists dead people it goes on and on, and sometimes they have to get touchy feely with each other too!

would i want a grizzled old woman getting all touchy feely with me, no way, not in real life not in pretend life.

mr rush is a pretty grizzled old guy.

icyfroth · ‎01-11-2018

@davidc4430 wrote:
really well put NFSiour
i believe the girl believes her version of the facts. shes not making the claims up.

but i also believe mr rush did nothing out of the ordinary when acting a scene in a play.

holding, touching, feeling, ect are something actors do with each other.

would i do that to someone i hardly know, no way. (actually i would have difficulty doing it regardless)

but i'm not an actor. actors must pretend to be what they are not. husbands wives mad scientists dead people it goes on and on, and sometimes they have to get touchy feely with each other too!

would i want a grizzled old woman getting all touchy feely with me, no way, not in real life not in pretend life.
mr rush is a pretty grizzled old guy.

Yeah well. Apparently young actors need to put up with that sort of behaviour from gnarly old actors in order to further their careers.

icyfroth · ‎01-11-2018

@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
I find it interesting not one feminist has come out in support of Ms Norvill.
Legally, I don't think anbody is permitted to offer a public opinion one way or the other while the matter is beofre the court.

Legally? That's never stopped feminist activists from voicing their opinions before, on any issue they've feltl the need to protest about!

davidc4430 · ‎01-11-2018

@icyfroth wrote:
@davidc4430 wrote:
really well put NFSiour
i believe the girl believes her version of the facts. shes not making the claims up.

but i also believe mr rush did nothing out of the ordinary when acting a scene in a play.

holding, touching, feeling, ect are something actors do with each other.

would i do that to someone i hardly know, no way. (actually i would have difficulty doing it regardless)

but i'm not an actor. actors must pretend to be what they are not. husbands wives mad scientists dead people it goes on and on, and sometimes they have to get touchy feely with each other too!

would i want a grizzled old woman getting all touchy feely with me, no way, not in real life not in pretend life.
mr rush is a pretty grizzled old guy.
Yeah well. Apparently young actors need to put up with that sort of behaviour from gnarly old actors in order to further their careers.
no, thats not what i said.
i said as part of the job they may have to get all touchy feely with a gnarly old yukky person.
of course they are free to refuse to work with gnarley old actors.

davidc4430 · ‎01-11-2018

BTW, can anyone name a job where as part of the job you might be required to pretend to have sex with someone you dont like?

or even someone you do like?

i cant off hand besides actors.

and its pretty common in movies for two people who know each other very little to do it.

and yet, it happens hundreds of times (prolly thousands) every year and yet we rarely hear an actress complaining 'he touched me inapropriatly!' (or visa veras)

maybe its because its what you sign up for when you decide to be an actor, not every role is 'gravity' just you floating in a space suit for 2 hours.

springyzone · ‎02-11-2018

The first thing I thought of when i read your comment (because I haven't been following the case) was... yes, but what scene were they playing in, exactly?

Obviously if you were in a movie with some heavy sex scenes, you might expect to get touched as part of the scene.

But that doesn't seem to be what happened here. According to the link, Rush was acting as her father & grieving over her body.

To me, it sounds as if what happened is she felt angry & humiliated, not so much because of him touching her but because he was doing a sexy send up to make others in the production crew laugh.

She says she had her eyes shut, playing dead when she heard laughter and

"I opened my eyes and Geoffrey was kneeling over me and he had both of his hands above my torso and he was gesturing stroking up and down my torso and gesturing groping or cupping above my breasts.

"He was looking up to the front of the room and kind of raising his eyebrows, bulging his eyes, smiling, licking his lips."

Ms Norvill said director Neil Armfield reprimanded Mr Rush and said: "Geoffrey, stop that."

In other words, the guy thought he was being funny when he was actually being inappropriately lewd.

he most likely thought she would be fine with it because

Exchanged at various points in their friendship, the nicknames for Mr Rush included "God of generic lust", "Jet Lee thrust", "Jersey cream-filled puff" and "Galapagos lusty thrust".

Ms Norvill admitted some could be interpreted as "intellectually flirtatious".

There was also the incident where he lightly ran his hand across her breast.

My own interpretation would be that most likely he isn't some type of sex offender along the lines of Rolf Harris but he overstepped the boundaries, possibly thinking she wouldn't mind, all in a bit of fun etc

This can be the very scenario where it is hard for women to complain, it can be embarrassing. But at the same time, any woman who messages a man, calling him 'god of generic lust' or 'jet lee thrust' is sending the wrong signals.