@chameleon54 wrote:
I also feel very strongly that we are entering dangerous territory. We risk establishing a dystopian society where one large group of people is excluded from the normal functions of society based on whether they agree to having a certain invasive medical procedure or not. Its all very Orwellian.
We should be basing these decisions on the science, not social media hype and divisionist politics. And the science is clear. While vaccination can reduce the chance of transmission and certainly helps prevent severe reaction to COVID, it DOES NOT stop a vaccinated person from becoming infected or transmitting the disease to others. ( only reduces the risk ) While the risk is lower, vaccinated people can still be infectious.
The other point to remember is that the main benefit of vaccination is to reduce the severity of the disease, so vaccinated people are not going to be as severely impacted by coming into contact with the unvaccinated as would otherwise be the case.
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Very true and well said! And vaccinated people can still spread. They can carry the virus in their nasal passages. The way things are going, a dystopian society may be closer to reality than we think. The hype appears more believable in the minds of those who have allowed themselves to become a captive audience because they have no idea about the other avenues to treat this virus. They still think that once diagnosed, they should stay at home and do nothing. And if they happen to get sick, they end up in hospital. Meanwhile safe, successful early stage treatment is ignored.
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@chameleon54 wrote:
While in some situations such as Airline travel or Cruise ships there may be justification in demanding vaccination on a temporary basis while we work through the whole COVID issue
for many businesses and companies the response ( no jab no entry ) is disproportionate to the risk. For many businesses its all about virtue signalling and branding rather than any genuine health concerns. The vast majority of businesses threatening no jab no entry simply do not have the scientific skills to make social decisions on a medical basis.
They are also placing their employees at risk by potentially forcing them into committing a criminal act by breaching anti discrimination laws. ( refusing entry to unvaccinated people with disabilities or genuine reason not to be vaccinated )
It is vital that response is proportionate to risk and allowing our society to sink into a dystopian, facist regime that demands breaches of basic human rights and freedoms under the cloak of COVID is not proportionate.
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While I don't believe that airlines should demand someone be jabbed as a right to travel, I think that maybe people should be tested leading up to and immediately before travel until things get sorted. I appreciate where you're coming from though.
Yes, discrimination laws are being breached. This sets a dangerous precedent, and yes it is disproportionate to the situation at hand (most definitely) and will pave the way to other kinds of abuses, both by the government and people who would naturally exploit this for an agenda or some kind of gain 💰💰💰.
Your take on this chameleon54 is like what one would expect to hear from an honest 🇦🇺 non-agenda driven politician or what the ABC was like years ago before it was hijacked by whoever.
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