on 27-07-2016 06:16 PM
on 27-07-2016 07:40 PM
@icyfroth wrote:
@tommy.irene wrote:
The Australian government has launched an investigation into a youth detention centre where teenagers were filmed being assaulted, tear gassed and forcibly stripped naked by laughing prison guards. Footage obtained by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation’s Four Corners programme showed a 14-year-old boy being hooded and strapped to a chair for almost two hours as part of treatment that could amount to torture according to the UN. SHARE Malcolm Turnbull, the Australian Prime Minister, said he was shocked by the abuses at the Don Dale Youth Detention Centre.They're not your average garden variety kids, you know. They're hard to deal with kids that have been convicted of all sorts of felonies and are totally uncontrollable.
Ok they've suffered abuse in their short lives but are also giving abuse in return to innocent ppl.
They can't be let loose back into society, or low level supervision, the way they are.
Such is the conundrum.
dont you think a 21st century country like australia ought to have moved beyond torture as punishment for those under 18 we call children when we cant control them?
again, less money wasted playing kill the muslims and more money spent in our own back yard might just work.
on 27-07-2016 07:43 PM
So what would you consider appropriate, She-el?
on 27-07-2016 07:44 PM
@davidc4430 wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@tommy.irene wrote:
The Australian government has launched an investigation into a youth detention centre where teenagers were filmed being assaulted, tear gassed and forcibly stripped naked by laughing prison guards. Footage obtained by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation’s Four Corners programme showed a 14-year-old boy being hooded and strapped to a chair for almost two hours as part of treatment that could amount to torture according to the UN. SHARE Malcolm Turnbull, the Australian Prime Minister, said he was shocked by the abuses at the Don Dale Youth Detention Centre.They're not your average garden variety kids, you know. They're hard to deal with kids that have been convicted of all sorts of felonies and are totally uncontrollable.
Ok they've suffered abuse in their short lives but are also giving abuse in return to innocent ppl.
They can't be let loose back into society, or low level supervision, the way they are.
Such is the conundrum.
dont you think a 21st century country like australia ought to have moved beyond torture as punishment for those under 18 we call children when we cant control them?
again, less money wasted playing kill the muslims and more money spent in our own back yard might just work.
Totally agree!
on 27-07-2016 07:46 PM
@tommy.irene wrote:
@skyrider12-au wrote:
How do you know this tommy?Because they would be getting their Lawers on the case and sueing everyone.. Plus adults can fight back..
Rigghhhtttt - That makes sense tommy, Thanks for clearing that up for me.
on 27-07-2016 07:48 PM
paintsew
on 27-07-2016 09:06 PM
@icyfroth wrote:So what would you consider appropriate, She-el?
I do not have the necessary qualifications to qualified to write a definitive handbook on the treatment of juvenile offenders, but that doesn't mean I cannot recognise something blatently inappropriate when I see it.
I don't imagine you could write the handbook either, but do you believe what was shown was appropriate.
on 27-07-2016 09:18 PM
This item has just been shown on this morning's 'The Wright Stuff' - due to the editorial in today's 'Independent'. Of the three phone ins on the subject, not a single person had any sympathies for the kid.
These individuals are known here as 'ferals'. Wild and totally out of control.
on 27-07-2016 09:44 PM
@electric*mayhem*band wrote:This item has just been shown on this morning's 'The Wright Stuff' - due to the editorial in today's 'Independent'. Of the three phone ins on the subject, not a single person had any sympathies for the kid.
These individuals are known here as 'ferals'. Wild and totally out of control.
What has sympathy for the kid (and it wasn't just one kid) got to do with it? We are talking about the behaviour of the adults.
27-07-2016 09:55 PM - edited 27-07-2016 09:57 PM
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:So what would you consider appropriate, She-el?
I do not have the necessary qualifications to qualified to write a definitive handbook on the treatment of juvenile offenders, but that doesn't mean I cannot recognise something blatently inappropriate when I see it.
I don't imagine you could write the handbook either, but do you believe what was shown was appropriate.
Plenty of people much more experienced in these matters than you or I have been trying to fix the social alienation of indigenous Australians for years ......and failed. The footage shown on 4 corners was confronting, but what wasn't shown was the hours leading up to those events.
Unfortunately there will always be prisoners who are HIV positive or who have hepatitis who will spit, sometimes including blood at prison officers in an attempt to infect them. There will be others who will attack officers at any opportunity. Restraints, spit guards and capsicum spray / tear gas are an unfortunate, but necessary tool in handling uncontrollable offenders including juveniles.
While these tools have an important place, every effort must be made to ensure they are used appropriately and professionally. The danger is that a culture of abuse could very easily creep into juvenile detention when officers are constantly pressured by certain repeat offenders.
The real question is whether this culture of abuse of juvenile offenders by prison officers is present in our juvenile detention centres.
on 27-07-2016 10:59 PM
A lot of those kids were actually on remand.. And if a kid steals a car, they don't deserve to be abused like that