Greyhound Racing Banned in NSW

just heard a breaking news story on ABC radio saying the NSW govt will ban greyhound racing as of mid next year.

 

as an owner of an ex racer but not in nsw i will watch with great interest this story as it unfolds.

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as i know very little of the horse racing business i am happy to go with your knowledge on the subject

 

its prolly a good thing though that horses only have 1 baby, sometimes 2. unlike a dog who can have quite a few in one go.

 

i also agree that not all greyhound trainers are bad, if they were i wouldnt have foo as i believe when i got foo trainers had to pay $200 to have them rehomed. so not suprising bad trainers used cheaper methods.

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Knew they were a pure breed but didnt realise they could be shown, as I didnt see any around the show rings when I was showing my girl

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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i dont think theres anyway to know if an unborn pup will be a good racer no mater the heritage of the parents. sure good parent stock would prolly help but there is also prolly just as much chance of 5 out of 6 pups being too slow to be raced.

 

thats where i see a problem, you cant rehome all the non starters, theres just not enough people who want a greyhound as a pet. no matter how much you reduce to breeding if you still want a viable racing industry.

 

as for all the other industrys where there is killing to feed the world, well thats just too big an issue for my brain. i have my thoughts on things i can see are wrong. if i could id change a lot of things. today its the plight of greyhounds, who knows what will get changed in the future.

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@davidc4430 wrote:

as i know very little of the horse racing business i am happy to go with your knowledge on the subject

 

its prolly a good thing though that horses only have 1 baby, sometimes 2. unlike a dog who can have quite a few in one go.



Race horses are Thoroughbreds and only one breed of many just as greyhounds are one of hundreds of breeds of dog.

 

Sydney Royal Easter Show has Thoroughbred classes the breed in general for those horses that are not longer racing but are competing in other forms or showing.   There is also special classes for Thoroughbreds in training as their criteria is different...they are much leaner in appearance.   My daughter also worked for Gai Waterhouse as a stable hand/exercise rider so had first hand knowledge of how the horses were treated.

 

Race horses actually do love to gallop....you only have to watch them in a paddock...one will take off and the rest follow.

In fact, all horses love a good gallop....our little pony used to go nuts when he was let loose in the paddock after a trip in the float.

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Of course many trainers treat the animals well but sadly quite a few dont   ....  I would loike to see the whole animal racing industry shut down, particulary the jumps racing   ..... sadly it's not going to happen

 

 

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@bsal6160 wrote:

Its simply time the government banned ALL forms of betting. And really that is the root cause of this current dilemna.


There needs to be better control on the pokies,(especially in NSW).

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-17/steketee-gambling-pays-off-for-australian-governments/6625170

 

They now have machines where you can bet $50 per push,(which is a problem gamblers nightmare).

 

Then there is the casino style machines that can be pushed for $100 per push.

 

The NSW government reduced the amount of machines but revenue went up due to allowing the higher limits.

 

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/pokie-gambling-in-nsw-surges-to-73b-despite-fewer-machines-20151119-gl2q1b...

 

What happened to the so called limit that was put on all pokies as suggested by welfare groups,(due to the

 

stress caused to families including suicides).

 

Oh!,that's right,it would interfere with the profits made by the "big" guys,(including the government).

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In fact, all horses love a good gallop....our little pony used to go nuts when he was let loose in the paddock after a trip in the float.


Yes, of-course they like to run and play, but to run at a speed that makes them to bleed that is not something they would do for fun in wild, unless they are escaping from the predator.  Also all dogs like to chase and run.  The difference between horse and dog racing is that to make horse run they are in state of fear and pain is inflicted on them, while for the dog it is the natural hunting instinct that makes them go after the lure.  I have heard some horse people talking about horses love to run fast; well, yes when heard of horses is chased by lions they stampede and all try to run the fastest, as the last one is the one that gets caught.  Also recently there was a research done on th bruising inflicted on horses during the race, and it was quite severe, deep and took long time to heal.  Interesting that the owners of Black Caviar would not allow the jokey to use his whip.

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@davidc4430 wrote:

 

 

i also agree that not all greyhound trainers are bad, if they were i wouldnt have foo as i believe when i got foo trainers had to pay $200 to have them rehomed. so not suprising bad trainers used cheaper methods.


There are owner trainers, and professional trainers who train dogs for other people.  It was mostly these professional trainers who were shown live baiting in the 4 corners program.  In the past there were many people who had 1/2 dozen of greyhounds in the backyard; they owned them and trained them and raced them.  Not all were wonderful, but the dogs were their dogs so I imagine they had some kind of affection for them, unlike people who have literally 100s of dogs in their facility at any given time.  

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@lyndal1838 wrote:

In fact, all horses love a good gallop....our little pony used to go nuts when he was let loose in the paddock after a trip in the float.


Yes, of-course they like to run and play, but to run at a speed that makes them to bleed that is not something they would do for fun in wild, unless they are escaping from the predator.  Also all dogs like to chase and run.  The difference between horse and dog racing is that to make horse run they are in state of fear and pain is inflicted on them, while for the dog it is the natural hunting instinct that makes them go after the lure.  I have heard some horse people talking about horses love to run fast; well, yes when heard of horses is chased by lions they stampede and all try to run the fastest, as the last one is the one that gets caught.  Also recently there was a research done on th bruising inflicted on horses during the race, and it was quite severe, deep and took long time to heal.  Interesting that the owners of Black Caviar would not allow the jokey to use his whip.


Nova, you are wrong on so many points.

Speed is not the only criteria for a horse bleeding.  I have seen it happen in the hacking ring and it is rare for horses to gallop there, let alone go at the speed of a racehorse.  If a horse is predisposed to bleeding then it will happen whatever they do.

 

Lets be honest here...how many times do you really see horses bleeding when racing?  It does not happen a lot but when it does the media sure lets us know about it.

 

Horses are not in a state of fear when they are racing and they are not flogged with the whip as you seem to think.  There are very explicit rules for the use of the whip and if a jockey misuses it he will not get many rides.  Not all horse trainers are bad...most of them look after their horses very well.  I do agree though that the use of the whip could do with even more policing than it gets now.

 

Could you tell me where there are wild horses that could be chased by lions.  I am pretty sure there are no lions attacking brumbies in Australia.  In the USA it is more likely to be mountain lions doing the attacking and that situation is rather different to wild lions on the plains where their prey can gallop.

 

I am one of those horse people who says that horses love to gallop.  We have kept horses on several different adjistment properties with all different breeds of horses doing different disciplines.  Without exception, you could watch the paddocks and there were always one or more horses taking off for a gallop and more often than not the others would follow.....and no humans in sight to make them move.

 

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please could we go back to discussing the banning of greyhound racing

 

there are problems in other forms of racing, i'm sure even in pidgeon racing a lot of birds are killed as they are not good at comming home fast enough.

 

but this threads about greyhound racing and we have gone off topic to horse racing.

 

the greyhound racing industry has been out of control for too long, breeding has become too easy in the search of that winning dog with no real thought put into the thousands of dogs that are not ever going to be winners.

 

the live baiting was just the explosive news story that woke the public and therefore our politicians (well some of them) to what was going on in the hidden background of what seemd a good way to have a fun night out at the 'dogs' to many.

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