Greyhound Racing Banned in NSW

[davidc4430]

just heard a breaking news story on ABC radio saying the NSW govt will ban greyhound racing as of mid next year.

as an owner of an ex racer but not in nsw i will watch with great interest this story as it unfolds.

[davidc4430]

https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/32131948/harrowing-video-shows-trainer-zapping-greyhound-with-6000-v...

[bright.ton42]

Dear God.      For shame!

[colic2bullsgirlore]

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/truth-about-cats-and-dogs-250000-killed-every-year-2010060...

MORE than a quarter of a million healthy cats and dogs are destroyed in Australia every year because there are not enough homes for them.

[go-tazz]

Again,4 year old footage that's miraculously appeared of one person/mongrel hurting a dog.

The industry should be judged on now,not things that happened years ago.

In 2008 60,000 cats and dogs were euthanized in NSW.

250,000 dogs and cats euthanized in Aus in 2010

Those numbers have been coming down since then and that's what's happening in the Greyhound industry.

The industry knows that the dogs welfare is the main issue and they are working on it.

I know when I was growing up unwanted kittens were drowned in a bucket,their neck wrung or simply dumped.

Dogs and pups met similar fates,(just remove the registration tag and no one would know who they belonged

too,(as there was no tattoos or microchips).

How many dogs go missing,are run over or used for dog fights as bait dogs,(a defenceless dog is given to

another to tear apart).

Where is the outcry?

[davidc4430]

i just posted the item, i didnt say it was a 'new' incident.

when you were growing up unwanted kittens were drowned in a bucket. i presume you thought it was ok then but now think its not.

hopfully in years to come we will be saying 'when i was growing up we had greyhound racing where unwanted dogs were killed'

i'm not sure i will be corrected if i'm wrong but isnt 'dog fighting' not a sanctioned sport/gambling industry by government, in fact i'm pretty sure its very illeagle. if you get caught involved in dog fighting you will go to jail. no one whos been killing greyhounds has gone to jail to my knowledge.

like so many who are defending the industry you keep pointing to other wrong doing as a reason why this should be allowed to continue.

60,000 dogs and cats killed in 2008, shocking figues.

250,000 dogs and cats killed australia wide in 2010,  absolutly stupid we have stood by and let this happen.

my question would be why we as a nation of mostly animal lovers have not made owning a pet a privalige and not a right.

the fact gumtree has a huge number of giveaway cats and dogs each week shows we have not put a 'plan' into place to cure this problem. we keep tinkering so as not to creat too many complaints about big brother. then there is local notice boards at shopping centres ect.

[go-tazz]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

i just posted the item, i didnt say it was a 'new' incident.

when you were growing up unwanted kittens were drowned in a bucket. i presume you thought it was ok then but now think its not.

It was advocated by vets at the time to do it as soon as they were born as they would go peacefully,(it was

later refuted as just drowning them).

hopfully in years to come we will be saying 'when i was growing up we had greyhound racing where unwanted dogs were killed'

I hope that the industry is not shut down because it's trying to put controls in place to stop/reduce the

wastage.

i'm not sure i will be corrected if i'm wrong but isnt 'dog fighting' not a sanctioned sport/gambling industry by government, in fact i'm pretty sure its very illegal. if you get caught involved in dog fighting you will go to jail. no one whos been killing greyhounds has gone to jail to my knowledge.

It's always been illegal,as it should be but you hear no outcry about it still going on,(the laws are slack

and these dogs die in agony):

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/crime-and-justice/brutal-dog-fighting-ring-exposed/new...

like so many who are defending the industry you keep pointing to other wrong doing as a reason why this should be allowed to continue.

No I'm not,I have repeatedly stated that the industry is working on reducing the numbers to make it a viable

industry,(the other "wrong doings" is to point out that the the pet industry don't have controls and those

figures will remain at a high level and so will other "wrong doings").

60,000 dogs and cats killed in 2008, shocking figues.

250,000 dogs and cats killed australia wide in 2010,  absolutly stupid we have stood by and let this happen.

The figures are now lower but it will continue to happen as there is no control happening on the pet industry,

(there are still to many dogs and cats born that are not desexed who make the problem worse)

Here you have tens of thousands of people doing the wrong thing but it will continue as the governments

wont/can't put controls in place and it's completely accepted as normal by the pet industry.

The same as Greyhound wastage was accepted as normal,(as there was no alternative available and it

happens in the pet industry,but on a much larger scale).

my question would be why we as a nation of mostly animal lovers have not made owning a pet a privalige and not a right.

Because it can not be regulated,(that's the goverments spin on it when in reality they could make laws

where each pet had to be desexed and outlaw backyard breeding by introducing high penalties).

the fact gumtree has a huge number of giveaway cats and dogs each week shows we have not put a 'plan' into place to cure this problem. we keep tinkering so as not to creat too many complaints about big brother. then there is local notice boards at shopping centres ect.

 That's were the government in each state could ban the advertising of giveaway cats and dogs,(which could

lead to the dumping of those animals).

In the end it's up to each individual to comply with the "laws"  and that will never happen in the pet industry.

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[davidc4430]

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@go-tazz wrote:

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@davidc4430 wrote:

i just posted the item, i didnt say it was a 'new' incident.

when you were growing up unwanted kittens were drowned in a bucket. i presume you thought it was ok then but now think its not.

It was advocated by vets at the time to do it as soon as they were born as they would go peacefully,(it was

later refuted as just drowning them).

hopfully in years to come we will be saying 'when i was growing up we had greyhound racing where unwanted dogs were killed'

I hope that the industry is not shut down because it's trying to put controls in place to stop/reduce the

wastage.

i'm not sure i will be corrected if i'm wrong but isnt 'dog fighting' not a sanctioned sport/gambling industry by government, in fact i'm pretty sure its very illegal. if you get caught involved in dog fighting you will go to jail. no one whos been killing greyhounds has gone to jail to my knowledge.

It's always been illegal,as it should be but you hear no outcry about it still going on,(the laws are slack

and these dogs die in agony):

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/crime-and-justice/brutal-dog-fighting-ring-exposed/new...

like so many who are defending the industry you keep pointing to other wrong doing as a reason why this should be allowed to continue.

No I'm not,I have repeatedly stated that the industry is working on reducing the numbers to make it a viable

industry,(the other "wrong doings" is to point out that the the pet industry don't have controls and those

figures will remain at a high level and so will other "wrong doings").

60,000 dogs and cats killed in 2008, shocking figues.

250,000 dogs and cats killed australia wide in 2010,  absolutly stupid we have stood by and let this happen.

The figures are now lower but it will continue to happen as there is no control happening on the pet industry,

(there are still to many dogs and cats born that are not desexed who make the problem worse)

Here you have tens of thousands of people doing the wrong thing but it will continue as the governments

wont/can't put controls in place and it's completely accepted as normal by the pet industry.

The same as Greyhound wastage was accepted as normal,(as there was no alternative available and it

happens in the pet industry,but on a much larger scale).

my question would be why we as a nation of mostly animal lovers have not made owning a pet a privalige and not a right.

Because it can not be regulated,(that's the goverments spin on it when in reality they could make laws

where each pet had to be desexed and outlaw backyard breeding by introducing high penalties).

the fact gumtree has a huge number of giveaway cats and dogs each week shows we have not put a 'plan' into place to cure this problem. we keep tinkering so as not to creat too many complaints about big brother. then there is local notice boards at shopping centres ect.

 That's were the government in each state could ban the advertising of giveaway cats and dogs,(which could

lead to the dumping of those animals).

In the end it's up to each individual to comply with the "laws"  and that will never happen in the pet industry.

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1. you didnt answer, is drowning kittens and puppies not ok now you are grown up?

2. you still feel some 'wastage' is ok so the 'industry' of greyhound racing can continue. again just tell me how many greyhounds per year is it ok to kill so the industry can continue? you really cant be serious in thinking every greyhound no longer able to be raced can be rehomed

if we look at horse racing, horses have many uses other that racing so its quite feasable all horses not good for racing can have another use.

however greyhounds only have 2 uses, racing and pets. i cant see enough people wishing to own a pet greyhound to soak up all the 'wastage'. you argue the opposite, only time will tel unless greyhound racing does get banned.

i have said if the 'industry' can produce the proof they can reduce 'wastage' (gotta love that word dont ya) to zero or close to it i say go ahead keep racing.

3. i'm pretty sure any time a dog fighting ring is caught (and they dont advertise in the weekend papers) the police do their best to prosicute.

4. you dont think the pet industry can be regulated but you do think the greyhound industry can be regulated. havent seen too much regulation working in favour of the dogs so far.

5. banning the advertising of free kittens, cats, puppies and dogs will not cure the problem. its got to be an australia wide controlled breeding, desexing, microchipping set of laws. just banning advertising would take us back to point 1., the drowning of kittens and puppies IMO.

[go-tazz]

@davidc4430 wrote:

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1. you didnt answer, is drowning kittens and puppies not ok now you are grown up?

I never said I thought it was ok,(that's just the way it was done back then by people who had unwanted animal

pregnancies and as far as I know no one does it anymore).

2. you still feel some 'wastage' is ok so the 'industry' of greyhound racing can continue. again just tell me how many greyhounds per year is it ok to kill so the industry can continue? you really cant be serious in thinking every greyhound no longer able to be raced can be rehomed

That's your emotions talking again as you have an ex racer so you are blind to reality and have a one track

mind as you see each other dog through the eyes of your own.

There will always be wastage where animals are concerned and zero is impossible for any animal that have

human involvement.

if we look at horse racing, horses have many uses other that racing so its quite feasable all horses not good for racing can have another use.

Unless you believe these "facts",(there is a similarity to the ones about Greyhound racing).

http://www.peta.org.uk/blog/the-grand-national-8-things-they-dont-tell-you-about-horse-racing/

http://www.news.com.au/sport/more-sports/melbourne-cup-2014-this-is-the-ugly-side-of-the-race-that-s...

however greyhounds only have 2 uses, racing and pets. i cant see enough people wishing to own a pet greyhound to soak up all the 'wastage'. you argue the opposite, only time will tel unless greyhound racing does get banned.

i have said if the 'industry' can produce the proof they can reduce 'wastage' (gotta love that word dont ya) to zero or close to it i say go ahead keep racing.

That's all the industry has asked for,(to let them show the government that controls are in place and they

are working for the welfare of the dogs).

Everything used for a racing Greyhound has to be built to a standard and there are inspections done to insure

those standards are adhered too.

4. you dont think the pet industry can be regulated but you do think the greyhound industry can be regulated. havent seen too much regulation working in favour of the dogs so far.

Every greyhound is ear tagged and on a register now and the owners/trainers have to know where they are

at all times,(the pet industry has no controls).

5. banning the advertising of free kittens, cats, puppies and dogs will not cure the problem. its got to be an australia wide controlled breeding, desexing, microchipping set of laws. just banning advertising would take us back to point 1., the drowning of kittens and puppies IMO.

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So the "wastage" of tens of thousands of dogs and cats continue each year because there are no controls

in place to stop it,(that's only the ones that are euthanized off course and it doesn't take into account other

methods or how many are still just dumped as there is no record of them),

[davidc4430]

well you and i are unlikely to ever agree on the greyhound industry.

you believe whole heartedly they can become the good guys and stop killing 99% of excess dogs.

i do not believe they can reduce the deaths of dogs no longer usefull to the industry to the kind of numbers required.

for me its simple math, they will allways breed many more than required, many more than the pet sector can absorb.

thats the bottom line for me.

oh, and i also know that a large number of greyhounds go to veternary schools for training as they are so easy to handle. i suspect some of them are put down so students can cut them up.

maybe they just get prekilled ones, cant swear on that as once they cant race they are of no real value are they.

still not much of a streach to imagine they would be perfect specimines to work on, big lungs, big heart, little fat ect.

[lyndal1838]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

oh, and i also know that a large number of greyhounds go to veternary schools for training as they are so easy to handle. i suspect some of them are put down so students can cut them up.

maybe they just get prekilled ones, cant swear on that as once they cant race they are of no real value are they.

still not much of a streach to imagine they would be perfect specimines to work on, big lungs, big heart, little fat ect.

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Where did you get that information David?

Do you know anyone who has been a Vet student?  I do!!

The university Vet schools here in NSW get their cadavers from local pounds in the form of dogs who are going to be put down anyway and their live patients come from people who are referred there by their local vets.

Some years ago we had a Shetland pony with an unusual problem.  She was taken to the University Vet School and we were asked if we minded them using her for training purposes.   Something similar happened with a dog we had when I was young....his heart condition was treated at the Sydney Uni Vet school and observed by the students.

TBH racing dogs are not good specimens for training Vets.....they are not representative of the average dogs that they are going to be working with.