Haiyan scare campaign is just shameless by the Greens

nero_bolt
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ONCE again the Greens have shamelessly exploited a tragedy, this time Typhoon Haiyan in the Philippines.

 

These enemies of reason claim this "record" typhoon is evidence of global warming and "Typhoon Tony" - the Prime Minister - will cause more.

 

But once again almost everything they say about this disaster is false or misleading

 

Of course, that isn't unusual for the Greens, a party that promises a new Dark Ages in which faith again trumps facts.

 

Last month Greens leader Christine Milne and her deputy, Adam Bandt, linked the NSW fires to global warming with the same reckless disregard for the truth.

 

In just one interview on the ABC's Insiders, Milne made seven false or misleading claims.

 

Here are some: the fires occurred where there was a "long-term drying trend", this trend was linked to global warming, we'd just had our "hottest winter", the "scale of the fires" was significant and Cyclone Yasi was also evidence of warming.

 

In fact, those fires were not bigger, earlier or deadlier. NSW has had more rainfall over the century, not less, and even Tim Flannery's alarmist Climate Commission admitted Yasi was "not the result of climate change".

 

Oh, and the planet's atmosphere has not had any statistically significant warming for 15 years.

 

Rational people would be embarrassed to be proved so wrong, but these are Greens. So this week they were at it again, only worse.

 

Here is Milne: "In our region Typhoon Haiyan and 10,000 people, if not more, dead in the Philippines from a storm with such intensity there is now debate whether it is the strongest typhoon ever."

 

She continued, verballing former Climate Commissioner Will Steffen: "Professor Steffen ... is out saying that it is the warming of the oceans off the eastern Philippines that has led to the intensity of the typhoon."

 

Here is Bandt, attacking Prime Minister Tony Abbott: "He can be expected to be referred to as Typhoon Tony ...

 

"This is what we are in store for unless we get global warming under control ..."

 

And here is Senator Richard Di Natale: "You've got record storms in the Philippines and now you've got record stupidity from Tony Abbott, who's basically going to unwind some of the world's most ambitious and important climate change legislation."

 

But, again, almost everything these Greens said about the typhoon was false or misleading

 

 

Was this massive typhoon the strongest ever?

No. The Philippine Met Agency says Haiyan had wind gusts at landfall of 275kmh - the same it recorded with Typhoon Sening in 1970, but less than the 320kmh of Typhoon Reming in 2006.

 

The US Joint Typhoon Warning Center estimated higher wind speeds but from satellite monitoring, which is valid only for typhoons over water, not land, where friction slows the winds.

 

Australia's Bureau of Meteorology recorded 408kmh winds at Barrow Island during a cyclone in 1996.

 

Was this typhoon the deadliest?

No. The Philippines government has revised the expected toll from 10,000 to less than 3000. Typhoon Uring, which hit the Philippines in 1991, killed at least 5000.

 

The world's 35 deadliest typhoons have killed between 12,000 people and the 500,000 feared dead in a Bangladesh cyclone in 1970.

 

Did this typhoon pass over unusually warm seas?

 

No. Sea temperatures in Haiyan's path were around the 25-year average, according to US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration data.

 

Are the Philippines experiencing more cyclones or typhoons?

No. The Philippines is in a typhoon hotspot, but atmospheric physicist Gerry Bagtasa of the University of the Philippines says there were more in the northwest Pacific in the 1960s.

 

A 2009 study in Geophysical Research Letters found "no net change" in the number of cyclones making landfall in the Philippines.

 

Is the world experiencing more or worse cyclones or typhoons?

 

No. Even the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change conceded in September there is "low confidence that any reported long-term (centennial) increases in tropical cyclone activity are robust" and "confidence in large-scale changes in the intensity of extreme extratropical cyclones since 1900 is low".

 

Do real experts say humans have caused worse or more cyclones or typhoons?

 

No. Again, the IPCC admits: "Globally, there is low confidence in attribution of changes in tropical cyclone activity to human influence."

 

This was a massive typhoon which caused a terrible loss of life by smashing into a poor country rather than a rich one.

 

But there is no global warming signal here. Nor could Abbott do anything to make cyclones less likely. He has as much influence over a cyclone as King Canute had over the tides.

 

But tell that to the Greens. For them such facts do not matter. To them, ignorance is a virtue and fear a weapon.

 

 

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Funny how after these tragedies the people rush to worship the person they believe has caused them.

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Typhoons happen..........large Typhoons happen,....

 

They are called natural disasters for a reason.......

 

Alarmists need to focus more on providing aid to the survivors and worry less about their dying religion.



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@polksaladallie wrote:

Funny how after these tragedies the people rush to worship the person they believe has caused them.


that gets a kudo?

 

it doesnt even make sense

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@*ibis wrote:

@polksaladallie wrote:

Funny how after these tragedies the people rush to worship the person they believe has caused them.


that gets a kudo?

 

it doesnt even make sense


I thought you were in the top 10%?     Smiley Sad

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@*ibis wrote:

@polksaladallie wrote:

Funny how after these tragedies the people rush to worship the person they believe has caused them.


that gets a kudo?

 

it doesnt even make sense


Alarmists theories never make sense.



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@siggie-reported-by-alarmists wrote:

@*ibis wrote:

@polksaladallie wrote:

Funny how after these tragedies the people rush to worship the person they believe has caused them.


that gets a kudo?

 

it doesnt even make sense


Alarmists theories never make sense.


Huh?   Does not compute.

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extreme events occur more often . IS: "what a load of you know what"

 

I disagree IS.
Atmospheric CO2 (GHG) concentration is steadily rising, and with an increasing rate, (approaching 2ppm/yr ) with
Global mean temperatures  increasing as a result of the GHG effect.
Climate / weather are dependant upon atmospheric temperature, and whilst there are many variables to study, and taking "noise" and history into consideration, it is to be expected that climate overall will vary, and I would expect in an adverse manner.

CSIRO
In this highly variable climate, future severe storms and extreme rainfall events are likely to be more intense resulting in more severe flooding.

nɥºɾ

 

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2 parts per million

 

im not even going to ask you how much the planet as warmed up, youve posted it a squillian times and im not worried

 

in my life time i have seen hundreds of severe storms. it weather, and i will nver politicize weather

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Here they go again.......

 

Woman LOL



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IS: "2 parts per million"

 

Yes IS, that is the current change in the annual RATE of CO2  increase, not the actual CO2 concentration which is much higher, and as explained before  with basic atmospheric physics,  it  possibly now  (has?) will  lead to a variation in climatic conditions.

 

That is a basic  scientific observation devoid of "politics" . However I  thought you might be interested in a non political graph showing global CO2 concentration, and consider that the rate of change of the slope has increased from 1ppm/py  to 2ppm/py since 1960.

 

co2_data_mlo.png

 

Now a political comment:  So all the meetings and talk-fests since Kyoto,  plus political  (hot air) rhetoric from leaders and followers have achieved what?

Possibly the rate of increase change  would have been smaller, but that is immaterial now.

By all means make carbon taxing or whatever noise you wish,  but remember Australia's Global contribution is very little, so also start adapting for  the effects of  atmospheric warming, because it is not going to slow down, let alone reduce.

 

nɥºɾ

 

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