on 01-09-2014 05:27 PM
Halal Choices..... are you concerned with the halal slaughter of animals such as beef, lamb and poultry.
To be halal certified the animal must be facing Mecca, have its throat cut while still alive and then ritually sacrificed by a Muslim who recites a prayer dedicating the slaughter to Allah.
Because the animals must be slaughtered alive, stun guns are often not an option as they can kill an animal before the heart pumps out all the blood.
http://www.halalchoices.com.au/index.html
Do you read the lables to see whats HALAL or not HALAL Do you purchase HALAL products or not?
Thoughts on the slaughter of animals for HALAL
http://www.halalchoices.com.au/what_is_halal.html
Products That Are Halal Certified
http://www.halalchoices.com.au/product_lists_halal.html
http://www.halalchoices.com.au/product_lists.html
Products That Are Not Halal Certified
http://www.halalchoices.com.au/product_lists_nonhalal.html
Interesting youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mSP47FAtn6U
The presenter is Kirralie Smith, an average Aussie housewife, who does the weekly grocery shopping.
Ms Smith became aware, then alarmed, about the Islamic halal certification on so many of her shopping list items. She looked for a list of halal certified foods so she could make informed choices about what to buy and what to avoid.
There was no such list, yet so many supermarket products were stamped 'halal certified'.
Ms Smith started to do her own investigation, calling supermarket chains, grocery producers - even the halal certifiers - all so she could be better informed when she went to do her shopping.
She has personally contacted over 500 companies to determine their halal certification status.
What she discovered was bigger than big.
Kirralie Smith is the founder and director of HalalChoices. Kirralie holds a BA in Theology and lives with her family in coastal New South Wales. What started as an attempt to put together a shopping list for her family led to two years of research into halal certification schemes in Australia; as well as our most comprehensive resource concerning these tax-like schemes now imposed on the majority of our food products.
on 02-09-2014 11:23 AM
and I know that you know very well my views on killing animals in this way
that is why I am curious as to what you're trying to get at here
on 02-09-2014 11:30 AM
@ufo_investigations wrote:
@debra9275 wrote:who am I supposed to be supporting?. I am saying it is not specific to one religion
why do you only complain about one? MrGrizz knows more than me, but I think Halal and kosher are very similar
Halal and kosher are not similar.
Halal funds go to terrorism, kosher funds go to Jewish churches.
you will find that halal funds also go towards similar:
Dr Shaberah said Australian Halal certifiers should donate profits to Islamic mosques and schools.
"They should contribute for mosques, Islamic schools, the Islamic community and other social activities,'' he said.
ok so some ppl may not be happy about that
but the terrorist accusations? over the top in my opinion
on 02-09-2014 11:36 AM
@*julia*2010 wrote:
@ufo_investigations wrote:
@debra9275 wrote:who am I supposed to be supporting?. I am saying it is not specific to one religion
why do you only complain about one? MrGrizz knows more than me, but I think Halal and kosher are very similar
Halal and kosher are not similar.
Halal funds go to terrorism, kosher funds go to Jewish churches.
you will find that halal funds also go towards similar:
Dr Shaberah said Australian Halal certifiers should donate profits to Islamic mosques and schools.
"They should contribute for mosques, Islamic schools, the Islamic community and other social activities,'' he said.
ok so some ppl may not be happy about that
but the terrorist accusations? over the top in my opinion
In the Australian newspaper last year Mr Ikabel Patel of AFIC said. “Australia has had legislation on halal since 1983 — so we are already dealing with aspects of sharia for the benefit of the country.”
Halal certificates are issued, for a fee, by a certifying body. This is not a requirement of the Koran or Hadiths but a modern day practice; it only began in the 1980’s. It has quickly developed into a corrupt and very lucrative worldwide industry.
Money that is paid out in fees for halal certification is used to fund in part or whole the push for sharia law in Australia. The Daily Mail reported in 2010 that The Grand Mufti of Bosnia Herzegovina, Dr Mustafa Ceric urged the Muslim Ummah to conquer the world through the Halal movement .
All or part of the fees go to mosques as they own most of the halal certification companies. Mosques practice segregation of men and women, preach that women and non-Muslims have lesser status than Muslims. Many mosques endorse polygamy and marrying of minors, teach that democracy is evil and that freedom of speech is intolerable.
It has been proven in the USA, France and Canada that some halal certification fees end up in the hands of Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood and other terrorist organisations. Last year the charity status of a Canadian organisation was revoked because of its links to Hamas.
CBN reported earlier last year that when French journalist and author Alexandre del Valle began investigating how the Muslim Brotherhood was attempting a mafia-style takeover of France’s Halal food industry, his life was threatened. “Nearly 60 per cent of halal food is controlled by organizations belonging to the Muslim Brotherhood,” he explained.
In many cases the certification is not even necessary. Muslims are allowed to eat meat slaughtered by ‘People of the Book’ (Christians and Jews). They can also read the ingredients on labels and easily determine if they want to purchase a product. Fish, nuts, milk, grains, fruits & vegetables never need halal certification and yet companies are paying thousands each year for it.
Many of the Islamic certifying companies like to try and convince the manufacturers that non-Muslims don’t have a problem with halal certification, this is of course incorrect. They also accuse them of being racist if they do not certify. We need to express strongly and politely this is not the case.
We also have to ask where is the money going? At the very least we know it helps fund mosques in this country. At worst, like overseas, it is funding terrorism. It is time our government started investigating and being serious about the answers.
For more information visit www.halalchoices.com.au
on 02-09-2014 11:37 AM
off to see if i can source some actual figures
on 02-09-2014 11:40 AM
@lightningdance wrote:I will make it my mission in life never to by halal. I will not be a party to financing terrorism no matter how small it is.
Oh Lightning you know I respect you as a poster here, but honestly it seems to me as though every time you see anything Muslim related you automatically go into "all Muslims are terrorists" mode. It's totally your perogative to never buy anything Halal but I think it's very narrow minded to associate Halal with funding terrorism.
To UFO imo if Kosher money goes to Jewish Churches, who in turn send money to Israel they are also funding terrorism...
on 02-09-2014 11:47 AM
@tall_bearded01 wrote:Halal certification has nothing to do with terrorism, that is, unless you hold the view, like some here, that Muslims = Terrorist.
Halal is simply a means by which those who practice that faith can make sure the foods they buy (and eat) complies with the requirement of their faith.
Now we have something like 100 million or so Muslims to our immediate north. So, I for one will not criticise any Australian Company which decides to have its food products certified Halal, so it can sell in a market which is 20 time or bigger than the local one. I would have thought this was just plain good business
As for animal cruelty, we have laws governing same, and religious law, all religious laws are subservient to it. Therefore if someone is attempting to introduce slaughter practices which breach those laws the answer is simple – close down the business and prosecute the owners.
I dont here many muslims denouncing IS or the terror they cause in the name of Islam, where are all these peacful people
on 02-09-2014 11:50 AM
@debra9275 wrote:and I know that you know very well my views on killing animals in this way
that is why I am curious as to what you're trying to get at here
i took your post as a suggestion that accreditations are a scam
by religions. nothing more nothing less
(did you read what was in the link you posted)
"if you're going to go down that road, the same applies to "Kosher"food. there are a few articles on the net, mainly from the US
http://www.deism.com/kosher.htm
so you can't single out one religion"
02-09-2014 11:56 AM - edited 02-09-2014 11:58 AM
to me, it seems like a scam as it pushes prices up & the labels mean absolutley nothing to me. but to the jews and muslims it obviously matters and is a way of funding their temples,and synagogues, schools etc.
I will look more closely at the labels on what I buy in future, don't want to be labelled a terrorist supporter as I am not
on 02-09-2014 11:59 AM
@the_hawk* wrote:
@tall_bearded01 wrote:Halal certification has nothing to do with terrorism, that is, unless you hold the view, like some here, that Muslims = Terrorist.
Halal is simply a means by which those who practice that faith can make sure the foods they buy (and eat) complies with the requirement of their faith.
Now we have something like 100 million or so Muslims to our immediate north. So, I for one will not criticise any Australian Company which decides to have its food products certified Halal, so it can sell in a market which is 20 time or bigger than the local one. I would have thought this was just plain good business
As for animal cruelty, we have laws governing same, and religious law, all religious laws are subservient to it. Therefore if someone is attempting to introduce slaughter practices which breach those laws the answer is simple – close down the business and prosecute the owners.
I dont here many muslims denouncing IS or the terror they cause in the name of Islam, where are all these peacful people
Anyone can paste a link of a google search. Why not type in secret Kosher tax to google as well.
Whats okay for one is never okay for the other. Why is that?
on 02-09-2014 12:00 PM