Heaven and hell is real

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@ufo_investigations wrote:

@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

God has existed forever - how can he have a mother? That would mean that Mary is even older than God.

 

I'm not very good at Maths but I know my mother was older than me. I would even go so far as to say your mother is older than you.

 

Mary was a mere mortal chosen by God to bear His son Jesus in his earthly form.


God and Jesus and Holy Spirit is one and the same that is why.


Forgive me for saying so, but that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever as far as a response to my statement. Are you saying now that Mary is the mother of God, mother of Jesus AND mother of the Holy Spirit? 

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

@ufo_investigations wrote:

@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

God has existed forever - how can he have a mother? That would mean that Mary is even older than God.

 

I'm not very good at Maths but I know my mother was older than me. I would even go so far as to say your mother is older than you.

 

Mary was a mere mortal chosen by God to bear His son Jesus in his earthly form.


God and Jesus and Holy Spirit is one and the same that is why.


Forgive me for saying so, but that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever as far as a response to my statement. Are you saying now that Mary is the mother of God, mother of Jesus AND mother of the Holy Spirit? 


Mary is the mother of Jesus and Jesus is also God.

 

The Holy Spirit is God.

The Father is God.

The Son is God.

 

The Holy Spirit is eternal and has always existed.

 

This diagram explains how it works:

 

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Islam says that those who "Join gods with God" are polytheists and are therefore kuffar (infidels). This is aimed at those who believe in the doctrine of the  Trinity.

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

Islam says that those who "Join gods with God" are polytheists and are therefore kuffar (infidels). This is aimed at those who believe in the doctrine of the  Trinity.


which is most/mainstream christianity.

 

the ones that reject it are JWs,

mormons and few others.

 

 

 

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ufo: "Mary is the mother of Jesus and Jesus is also God.

 

The Holy Spirit is God.

The Father is God.

The Son is God.

 

The Holy Spirit is eternal and has always existed.

 

This diagram explains how it works:"

 

You are still just quoting what you've been told. That diagram is RUBBISH. Anyone can draw a diagram. I can draw a diagram that proves I am my own grand-father - would you believe that too?

 

Tell me, if the Holy Spirit is eternal and has always existed - how can Mary be it's mother??

 

Please don't just requote the same things to me, show me some evidence.

 

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

@iapetus_rocks wrote:

Islam says that those who "Join gods with God" are polytheists and are therefore kuffar (infidels). This is aimed at those who believe in the doctrine of the  Trinity.


which is most/mainstream christianity.

 

the ones that reject it are JWs,

mormons and few others.

  


The ones that reject it are the only ones that know the truth about God. God is NOT a Mystery. God is not part of some triad of Gods.

 

As I have said before, Jesus is the First Born of God's creation - his SON. The TRINITY is a LIE, an INVENTION of a Pagan Roman Emperor, as is HELLFIRE.

 

If Jesus was already God, why did the Apostles say that he had been raised to sit at the right hand of God, and that he had been GIVEN the power to judge humanity - you can't GIVE GOD anything - he already owns everything. God can't give himself a present. What a ridiculous notion.

 

Anyway, I have wasted enough time on here - trying to tell you the truth. As trbag says, it's like "casting pearls before swine".

 

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There was an author, John Allegro, who wrote a very engaging book in 1970 entitled "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross", which argued that Jesus did not exist as an historical person, but is an allegory, pointing to the cult of the sacred fungus of the ancients , Amanita Muscaria.

 

 

discuss. . . . Smiley LOL

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

Religion exists today as nothing more than a means of social control,

 

Couldn't agree more iapetus.  I think it's always been about that.  Think about it, societies need controlling to an extent, and if the people believe in God (I say God rather than God/s because I think we are really discussing the Christian God in this thread and to Christians there is only one true God that should be worshipped above all others.  Doesn't mean I'm denying the existence of other Gods btw, but Christians are taught not to worship the other Gods, they should worship the Abrahamic God of the Old and New Testament.)

 

The Bible outlines exactly how good, strong blooded societies should run, especially the first 5 books of the OT, (hence why they seem so blood thirsty)  and then it proceeds to lay down the law, pretty clearly too can I just add. But the people seem to always go astray, and start to worship idols and love themselves  more than God. tsk tsk naughty people lol  So then comes the wrath.... Sodom and Gamorah know all about that.... And honestly (even if the bible is just a big elaborate story written by a handful of super intelligent guys) what do the people expect, they've gone degenerate, they are breaking every law under the sun, it's almost like it's a competition to see who can break the most commandments in the one sitting lol.  They cop a floggin from Dad and get punished for their disgusting behaviour.  It's divine justice... 😉


Apologies for the rather late reply.

 

 

Think about it, societies need controlling to an extent

 

And societies  need Order, and it is therefore better for social cohesion if everyone in a said society all holds the same moral and ethical values as everyone else in that society.

 

Nowadays, we have the Law which imposes these rules (and therfore, Order)  on us. Well-ordered societies have an advantage ( both economically and militarily) on those societies which are less well ordered.

 

 

 

Doesn't mean I'm denying the existence of other Gods btw, but Christians are taught not to worship the other Gods, they should worship the Abrahamic God of the Old and New Testament.)

 

It has been said that those who worship one god are actually atheists or infidels in the eyes of all those who worship a different god.

 

 

So then comes the wrath.... And honestly (even if the bible is just a big elaborate story written by a handful of super intelligent guys) what do the people expect, they've gone degenerate, they are breaking every law under the sun, . . .

 

I think it is exactly that; a big, elaborate Story. the Carrot (promise of heaven) and the Stick (the threat of hell). it's a tried and true method of controlling people. The Law operates in sort of the same way. The carrot being a guarantee of freedom, and the stick being  the threat of the deprivation of that (imprisonment).

 

 

I'm a bit disturbed by the fact that some people who apparently devoutly believe in their religion would offer threats of violence to those who choose to follow a different religion (or even no religion at all).

 

 

There exists one religion which would even go so far as to call for  the death penalty for people who give up that religion in favour of another religion or for those who choose to give up following religion at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

ufo: "Mary is the mother of Jesus and Jesus is also God.

 

The Holy Spirit is God.

The Father is God.

The Son is God.

 

The Holy Spirit is eternal and has always existed.

 

This diagram explains how it works:"

 

You are still just quoting what you've been told. That diagram is RUBBISH. Anyone can draw a diagram. I can draw a diagram that proves I am my own grand-father - would you believe that too?

 

Tell me, if the Holy Spirit is eternal and has always existed - how can Mary be it's mother??

 

Please don't just requote the same things to me, show me some evidence.

 


God is almighty and has extraordinary powers. God can make any miracle happen.

 

 

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The ones that reject it are the only ones that know the truth about God. God is NOT a Mystery. God is not part of some triad of Gods.

 

 

God is not a mystery - good to know

i have a whole heap of questions for you.

 

 

That diagram is RUBBISH. Anyone can draw a diagram. I can draw a diagram that proves I am my own grand-father - would you believe that too?

 

 

as far as i know the idea of trinity

was not based on the diagram -

the diagram is to illustrate the concept

 

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