Hinch makes some very good points.

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http://www.news.com.au/national/derryn-hinch-slams-celebrity-backed-bali-nine-mercy-campaign-video/s...

RADIO AND TV personality Derryn Hinch has criticised the decision made by Australian celebrities to call for mercy for Bali Nine masterminds Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan, saying their campaign is “hypocritical”.

“In Indonesia, they know that when they commit crimes like this, then you could get the death penalty.

“I say hypocritical because are these people who are up there who are saying ‘I stand for mercy’ — is that for Australian drug dealers or Australians on death row, or for everybody?”

“I mean did they stand up a week ago and say ‘I stand for mercy’ for the Brazilian who was executed in Indonesia, or the one from the Netherlands, or the Indonesian woman or somebody from Malawi? Or is it just Australians?,” he said.

He also questioned whether those celebrities involved in the video were against the death penalty in general, or if they were only against capital punishment for specific offences.

“Also if you are against the death penalty, are you against the death penalty for all offences?,” he asked.

“Are you against the death penalty say for the terrorists? Did you try and campaign to try and save the lives of the Bali Bombers?,” he said.

“Did we put our hands up and say show them clemency? Don’t execute them.”

He concluded with his view: “If you’re going to say ‘I stand for mercy’, stand for mercy for everybody, if you’re against the death penalty, be against it for everybody. you can’t be a little bit pregnant,” he added.

Kinda makes sense to me. 

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@polksaladallie wrote:

I wonder what some posters will say when another drug mule, already a "celebrity", lands back on Australian soil in a couple of years.  I was not here when that person was convicted, but were they baying for the death penalty then?

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some posters may say that another drug mule, who has maintained her innocence all along, was never in line for execution. So no need to bay for the death penalty.

Some posters were of the same opinion then: "do the crime, do the time". "Another drug mule" certainly did her time.

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She had years reduced from her original sentence for good behaviour. If she messes up again, back to prison to serve out the rest of her sentence.

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The record of Schapelle Corby is good, and if a good person serves her sentence well, we automatically have to give her rights,'' Justice and Human Rights Minister Amir Syamsuddin said on Thursday.

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@polksaladallie wrote:

That person was indeed in line for execution.

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If the current Indon President had've been in power then, things might have ended differently for that person.

Anway, it's not like she's living the life of a celebrity.

Indeed the Indons have said if the press make a celebrity out her she would be returned to jail.

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I am curious about the meaning of

'Indonesia you have succeeded in your purpose.

You have rehabilitated these men.'

These are included(at the end)in the mercy campaign video with the 'celebrities'.

I thought the reason they were in jail was because they broke Indonesias Laws, and that the 'purpose' of their sentences was punishment for doing so. Not rehabilitation.

I hope they are not executed, as I think it is barbaric.

Yes they broke the law, and yes, they deserve to be punished, but I think jail is punishment. Showing mercy would be commuting their sentences to life in prison

It is a credit to them that they are making the effort to change their lives, with all the support they are being given, I would hope this would be achieved. 

I also think of all the other prisoners in the same jail who are not being given support, who are not give the opportunity for rehabilitation-

does anyone think these 'celebrities' care about them?

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@polksaladallie wrote:

That person was indeed in line for execution.

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If the current Indon President had've been in power then, things might have ended differently for that person.

Anway, it's not like she's living the life of a celebrity.

Indeed the Indons have said if the press make a celebrity out her she would be returned to jail.

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They said if she does media interviews that could jeopardise her freedom. Her choice whether she does them or not.

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@polksaladallie wrote:

That person was indeed in line for execution.

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If the current Indon President had've been in power then, things might have ended differently for that person.

Anway, it's not like she's living the life of a celebrity.

Indeed the Indons have said if the press make a celebrity out her she would be returned to jail.

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All true.  He seems to be quite a savage, in spite of his boyish appearance.

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I also think of all the other prisoners in the same jail who are not being given support, who are not give the opportunity for rehabilitation-

does anyone think these 'celebrities' care about them?

If you had a relative or close friend who was jailed overseas when they were travelling.. would you be concerned for every prisoner in that prison, or mainly only for helping your friend/family member be released, have their death sentence quashed or what ever the issue they had was?

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@youcandoityoucandoityoucandoit wrote:

I am curious about the meaning of

'Indonesia you have succeeded in your purpose.

You have rehabilitated these men.'

These are included(at the end)in the mercy campaign video with the 'celebrities'.

I thought the reason they were in jail was because they broke Indonesias Laws, and that the 'purpose' of their sentences was punishment for doing so. Not rehabilitation.

I hope they are not executed, as I think it is barbaric.

Yes they broke the law, and yes, they deserve to be punished, but I think jail is punishment. Showing mercy would be commuting their sentences to life in prison

It is a credit to them that they are making the effort to change their lives, with all the support they are being given, I would hope this would be achieved. 

I also think of all the other prisoners in the same jail who are not being given support, who are not give the opportunity for rehabilitation-

does anyone think these 'celebrities' care about them?

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I think you have missed the part where these two men have rehabilitated other prisoners, have done the job that the government is supposed to be doing.  They have been lauded for doing so.  They have changed their lives, and are changing others.  It has gone way past "making an effort".

Another of the "Bali nine" has been given support, but has mucked it up.  His choice.

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I would be concerned for each of the prisoners, including my friend/relative- but that is moot and off topic anyway.

My question is regarding the topic: whether these same 'celebrities' care about other prisoners, or whether its just the Australians?

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Concern isn't the same as taking action. If a person wants to get their friend/family out of an overseas jail, they are going to be majorly active in trying to achieve. the other prisoners won't feature much in that line of action.

I can't see any problem with Australians, ordinary citizens or celebs being mostly concerned with Australians in overseas prisons.. what do you expect them to do? Study all the prisoners backgrounds, learn their languages/ laws etc to help them?

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You have a point there.  There are hundreds of Australians in overseas prisons.  Whether or not the celebrities are concerned about them, I don't know.  Perhaps the death penalty that looms is pricking their consciences where the others don't.  Hypocritical it is.