on 22-04-2015 08:34 PM
on 25-04-2015 10:07 AM
@karliandjacko wrote:
@secondhand-wonderland wrote:Clearly a bias opinion for someone who is involved in a research study of this kind... Infact I cant help but see the whole study as bias the introduction makes it perfectly clear:
Do you see the bias in the anti vaccination messengers output?
In fact, there doesn't seem to be a clinical study of any sort which concludes that non vaccination improves health outcomes
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I tell you what would be great, if we can quit all the anti this and pro that rubbish. Why when a concerned person asks essential questions regarding their own or their childs healthcare (which many health care providers cannot answer) What would you reccommend one do? What is wrong with asking the question "Why do children need to have so many vaccinations before they are 2?" "What are the possible side effects of the vaccines that they "need" to have?" Just asking those two very reasonable, common questions one will be labelled an anti-vaxxer, anti-science, quack follower etc etc but the one that takes the cake.... child abuser. It's gone way beyond ridiculous.
Of course I can notice a bias in the so called anti vaccination messenger output. But one would expect to see that considering the viciousness with which some people approach those that ask the simple questions. Science should be impartial, unbiased and totally devoid of any conflicts of interest. Even a layperson such as myself can detect very clear bias and very possible conflict of interest problems with certain epidemiological studies, that try to "prove" vaccines are entirely safe and effective.
Heres a German study from 2011 that compares the health outcomes of the vaccinated vs the unvaccinated.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21412506
The conclusion was: The prevalence of allergic diseases and non-specific infections in children and adolescents was not found to depend on vaccination status.
So basically the incidence of infectious diseases was only slightly lower in the vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated in children aged 1-17 years old. I'd say thats a win for both sides of the debate... (Although the proportion of unvaccinated recorded in this study is only 0.7%)
Heres a study looking at the Association between varicella zoster virus infection and atopic dermatitis in early and late childhood
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20624648
The conclusion of this study states: WTVZV in childhood protects up to 10 years of age against AD, delays onset of AD symptoms, and decreases AD severity and office visits.
And one more study: Delay in diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus vaccination is associated with a reduced risk of childhood asthma.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18207561
Concludes: We found a negative association between delay in administration of the first dose of whole-cell DPT immunization in childhood and the development of asthma; the association was greater with delays in all of the first 3 doses. The mechanism for this phenomenon requires further research.
To MM12; You are really wanting me to answer this question:
why do all the world's professional medical bodies support vaccination programmes?, forget all, why even does our AMA?
So according to the AWA's; Position Statement on Vaccinations outside of General Practice
It states; GPs are regularly contracted by State Governments to deliver the childhood vaccination programs provided through schools and community centers.
They support it because it govt policy to do so.
on 25-04-2015 11:21 AM
@donnashuggy wrote:You have to feel for the people that fell for that 😞
Some of them will pay for it with their lives, some may start their treatment too late to arrest development of secondaries, and although some may in the end survive, it will be much more difficult journey. I hope that woman is going to jail for a long long time. She is a killer.
on 25-04-2015 11:29 AM
@***super_nova*** wrote:
@donnashuggy wrote:You have to feel for the people that fell for that 😞
Some of them will pay for it with their lives, some may start their treatment too late to arrest development of secondaries, and although some may in the end survive, it will be much more difficult journey. I hope that woman is going to jail for a long long time. She is a killer.
I dont know much about Belle Gibson but you cant blame her because gullible people fail to fact check people and articles. The media is just as much to blame for Belle Gibsons rise to fame. Did any of those news outlets who promoted her do their research, were any of the articles about her properly referenced with credible sources in the footnotes. Most mainstream articles never have lists of references or footnotes... The fact of it is these same news outlets that sung praises for Belle Gibson, congratulate themselves for exposing her lies. They dont care, they'll make money regardless of the outcome...
on 25-04-2015 11:30 AM
@icyfroth wrote:
Again, the government makes it almost mandatory. For the sake of the children. This is the same, of successive governments, that have legalised abortions, mind you.
Do you see the irony here?
Are you for real?
What has abortion got to do with vaccinations? What would you have do? Go back to the days of illegal abortion, which caused the death of thousands of women?
on 25-04-2015 02:05 PM
I dont know much about Belle Gibson but you cant blame her because gullible people fail to fact check people and articles.
That was the kind oflogic employed by friend of Mr Elephant's after he came over to Perth from Sydney and got married there. Within a week of the wedding Mr Elephant, who knew other members of his family, discovered the guy was not actually divorced from his first wife. When he pointed this out to him and asked him why he hadn't made sure the divorce had been finalised, his looked at him in injured innocence and said, It's not my fault, the registrar' should have checked up on all that before he married us..
on 25-04-2015 02:09 PM
Here's another interesting article. and before anyone starts getting excited, please note that it doesn't saythe new vaccine caused the pertussis outbreak, it says the new vaccine was less effective in preventing it.
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2015/04/24/whooping-cough-outbreaks-traced-to-change-in-vaccine/
on 25-04-2015 02:18 PM
@karliandjacko wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
Again, the government makes it almost mandatory. For the sake of the children. This is the same, of successive governments, that have legalised abortions, mind you.
Do you see the irony here?
Are you for real?
What has abortion got to do with vaccinations? What would you have do? Go back to the days of illegal abortion, which caused the death of thousands of women?
Yes I'm for real.
Abortion has nothing to do with vaccinations, of course.
The irony is that the government is using the protection of young children's lives in it's vaccination campaign while funding the death of tens of thousands of children through legalised abortion.
Thousand of women may have died through backyard abortions, but do you think aborting hundreds of thousands of babies for birth control reasons evens that out?
on 25-04-2015 02:20 PM
@icyfroth wrote:
@karliandjacko wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
Again, the government makes it almost mandatory. For the sake of the children. This is the same, of successive governments, that have legalised abortions, mind you.
Do you see the irony here?
Are you for real?
What has abortion got to do with vaccinations? What would you have do? Go back to the days of illegal abortion, which caused the death of thousands of women?
Yes I'm for real.
Abortion has nothing to do with vaccinations, of course.
The irony is that the government is using the protection of young children's lives in it's vaccination campaign while funding the death of tens of thousands of children through legalised abortion.
Thousand of women may have died through backyard abortions, but do you think aborting hundreds of thousands of babies for birth control reasons evens that out?
Once again, I cannot believe what Im reading...
on 25-04-2015 02:55 PM
Icy........how many "unwanted" children have you adopted? If less than one, that makes you part of the problem.
on 25-04-2015 03:05 PM
@youcandoityoucandoityoucandoit wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@karliandjacko wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
Again, the government makes it almost mandatory. For the sake of the children. This is the same, of successive governments, that have legalised abortions, mind you.
Do you see the irony here?
Are you for real?
What has abortion got to do with vaccinations? What would you have do? Go back to the days of illegal abortion, which caused the death of thousands of women?
Yes I'm for real.
Abortion has nothing to do with vaccinations, of course.
The irony is that the government is using the protection of young children's lives in it's vaccination campaign while funding the death of tens of thousands of children through legalised abortion.
Thousand of women may have died through backyard abortions, but do you think aborting hundreds of thousands of babies for birth control reasons evens that out?
Once again, I cannot believe what Im reading...
Sorry about that, I had to go for a walk to calm down..I wish the IGNORE button still existed.