on 26-01-2013 09:04 AM
We still have a flag that confuses the world - to the world our flag says we are still an English colony. So why oh why is it so hard to get Australians to change the thing?
After having had the misfortune of living in the midst of the Cronulla riots some years ago, I have come to hate what our flag now symbolises to many (that we are a white nation with anglo saxon ties) and would dearly love to see it changed.
I read Peter Fitz.s article this morning and couldn't agree more. Your thoughts?
I AM, you are, we are, Australian.
So why on earth, in the 21st century, do we still have a flag that reserves 25 per cent of its acreage proclaiming our allegiance, first and foremost, to Great Britain!?
Settle, Professor Flint, settle! You too, Jonesy. Settle, petals, I say! Whatever fatigue the conservative forces might feel at this subject flaring up ever more often, there is no way around it. Having a flag that declares to the world that we are Britain in the South Seas, a living relic of our colonial past, is as ludicrous as it is embarrassing.
Typically, Paul Keating said it best just over a year ago, when he noted: "We get around with the British flag in the corner of our flag. Great states do not do these things."
Who, seriously, can argue? (Apart from you, I mean, Professor and Jonesy.)
Against this most basic and obvious of assertions, a range of old chestnuts are thrown.
It is unpatriotic to speak out against the flag. Really? We want an Australian flag to feature uniquely Australian symbols, as opposed to the flag of another nation, and we're the unpatriotic ones?
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. It is bloody well broke. These days, the ostentatious display of the Australian flag outside a house, on bumper-stickers or the like, is more often a statement of political conservatism than patriotism pure. The Australian flag is no longer a symbol that unites us - it divides us.
It's our history. Really? Or is it just your history, as in your Anglo history? The fact that the Brits had a large part in forming Australia as it was in 1901 is reflected in the flag that was chosen then. But where in the flag is the representation of our now recognised indigenous citizens, or of the wave after wave of postwar immigrants, come from all parts of the world who have also since built the nation?
You can't believe in multiculturalism and support a flag that asserts the primacy of the Anglo race. We need a flag that reflects the equality of our citizens, not vaunts one lot over other.
Our forefathers and mothers served and died in wars under this flag, and so it can't be changed. This is the greatest chestnut of them all, and simply wrong. In the first place, in all the military books I have read, and written, I have never come across an "Iwo Jima" moment where our troops raced up a hill, or the like, to plant an Australian flag, let alone actually defended one to the death. That stuff is great for American movies, but not actually the way our wars were fought. They fought for Australia - and I honour them for it - but not specifically the flag. Besides which, the current blue ensign was only adopted at the insistence of Robert Menzies in 1954, to replace the red ensign which had broadly been our flag since 1901.
All up, is it really such a terrible thing to want an Australian flag to boast uniquely Australian symbols? For me, the answer is Eureka, but anything that does not have the flag of another nation upon it would be better than the one we have now.
Where will it all end, you ask? How about standing proudly on our own two feet, with a flag and a system of government entirely uncluttered by embarrassing proclamations of piety to another nation …
on 29-01-2013 09:55 PM
Like it or not, it was the british convicts that carved out a living here in this hard terrain called terra australis,
It was them that prevailed through the punishing hardship of the british regime coupled with the harshness of a land totally alien to them.
We should respect them, those unwilling yet enduring people that pioneered our beautiful "sunburnt land girt by sea."
Leave the Union Jack in the corner of our flag out of respect to the people who went through deprivation and hardship to unlock this lucky country for us.
on 29-01-2013 10:00 PM
I can understand the sentiment Icy, but I doubt the explorers had us in mind when they set out. Some were paid by the Government to " blaze trails", others were intent on carving out an existance or finding fame and fortune.
on 29-01-2013 10:07 PM
So what do you think is currently happening in our fair land, Vin?
on 29-01-2013 10:15 PM
on 29-01-2013 10:17 PM
So what do you think is currently happening in our fair land, Vin?
To reflect what we should have in a flag?
on 29-01-2013 10:20 PM
I can understand the sentiment Icy, but I doubt the explorers had us in mind when they set out. Some were paid by the Government to " blaze trails", others were intent on carving out an existance or finding fame and fortune.
and the future will be diferent how?
the problem is vintage you look to the past and see only the bad,you do not see the good or the way the good and the bad shaped this nation how it contiues to shape this nation, or how it taught us australians how to be what we are,
on 29-01-2013 10:31 PM
and the future will be diferent how?
the problem is vintage you look to the past and see only the bad,you do not see the good or the way the good and the bad shaped this nation how it contiues to shape this nation, or how it taught us australians how to be what we are,
I don't know what thefuture will bring, but it is inescapably shaped by the past, so I suppose we shall see!!....... I am interested to read what you see as the "good" Kilroy.
on 29-01-2013 10:39 PM
the good, is thta we as a nation can change where we head without having to shoot each other to do so , we have resilance , we have a beleif in the commen good , we can fight for each other regardless of our past we are able to look at our self s with pride we are able to admit to our wrongs and still stand strong, great people have been forged in the fires that are this country
on 29-01-2013 10:45 PM
Kilroy!..... You are such an idealist, good for you !...... I agree, but with reservations. .......I won't lecture you on the past but we "settlers" have a lot to answer for.
on 29-01-2013 10:54 PM
the difference between you and me vintage is you have given into the narsayers who tell you you must feel guilty about the fact you are white & that your forbares do bad things and you must answer for them, this is evident in this statement
I won't lecture you on the past but we "settlers" have a lot to answer for.
where as i can except our past is some thing i am niether responsable for or can change, full great moments that make the heart sing and great lows bring tears flooding forth.
this enables me to believe that change is posible and that together we have been given the tools to do it & the experance to find the best way forward