How is the Covid vaccine produced so quickly ?

[littlemissrita]

Just curious after seeing this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0SvutsCHrU&ab_channel=GSK

[4channel]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

So how do you test and assess a vaccine if no-one is allowed to have it until after it has been tested and assessed?

There is only so much you can do in a lab. At some point any vaccine will have to be tested on real people. 

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Well, you've partly answered your own question there. During the course of the study which takes years, yes there obviously will be human subjects.  The use of animal subjects can only yield some much in the way of usable information. They, the humans must be willing of course! Then after upon proper completion of the study / experiment,   the substance is usually given the green light.

There are books that one can read which detail, or rather give an account of this process.

[katistrophik]

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@4channel wrote:

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

So how do you test and assess a vaccine if no-one is allowed to have it until after it has been tested and assessed?

There is only so much you can do in a lab. At some point any vaccine will have to be tested on real people. 

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Well, you've partly answered your own question there. During the course of the study which takes years, yes there obviously will be human subjects.  The use of animal subjects can only yield some much in the way of usable information. They, the humans must be willing of course! Then after upon proper completion of the study / experiment,   the substance is usually given the green light.

There are books that one can read which detail, or rather give an account of this process.

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Just like the general public - AFAIK the vaccines are not mandatory, so why the issue with those of us who are willing to have them. Why the continual/repetitive OMG there are side effects - go look at the side effects worldwide of NOT having the vaccine - quite staggering really

[domino-710]

And like everything else - there are advances & modern techniques - not all of us remain in 2004.

Regarding Covid.

“The traditional vaccine timeline is 15 to 20 years. That would not be acceptable here,” said Mark Feinberg, president and CEO of the International AIDS Vaccine Initiative, whose work as chief public health and science officer at Merck Vaccines was instrumental in the development of the immunization against Ebola. “When you hear predictions about it taking at best a year or a year and a half to have a vaccine available … there’s no way to come close to those timelines unless we take new approaches.”

The trouble is, your average lab mouse doesn’t seem susceptible to the new virus. While the bug behind Covid-19 has no trouble co-opting molecules on human cells to get inside and start multiplying, it isn’t so good at latching onto the mouse equivalent. Although Graham can say the response produced in everyday mice looks similar to one that helped mice combat the virus in their bodies when infected with MERS, he can’t yet say the same thing for the new coronavirus, because the mice susceptible to this pathogen aren’t ready yet.

This is a Pandemic. 

[4channel]

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@4channel wrote:

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Well, you've partly answered your own question there. During the course of the study which takes years, yes there obviously will be human subjects.  The use of animal subjects can only yield some much in the way of usable information. They, the humans must be willing of course! Then after upon proper completion of the study / experiment,   the substance is usually given the green light.

There are books that one can read which detail, or rather give an account of this process.

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@katistrophik wrote:

Just like the general public - AFAIK the vaccines are not mandatory, so why the issue with those of us who are willing to have them. Why the continual/repetitive OMG there are side effects - go look at the side effects worldwide of NOT having the vaccine - quite staggering really

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Threatening workers with dismissal if they are not injected with the mRNA is about as close as one can get to mandatory. This is taking place now!

I have no issue with people that take the jab. I have said that on numerous occasion. I have also said on numerous occasion that I am not anti-vaccination and some are helpful . I respect the decision of those people who decide it be the best course for them. I have stated this multiple times. The right for those who choose not to take it is paramount and must also be respected. We could be in a fascist society if this is not the case.

[the_great_she_elephant]

 The right for those who choose not to take it is paramount and must also be respected. We could be in a fascist society if this is not the case.

Does the same right apply to those choose not to remove their motorbike helmet before walking into a bank? 

Or those who choose not to sit for a drivers licence before getting behind the wheel of a car?

[countessalmirena]

If we wish to enjoy the amenities and protections of society, our behaviour will be limited by the laws of that society. We might not agree with some of those laws, but the majority will be there for the protection of life and property of the individuals comprising that society.

I have little doubt that the same protesters who want to defy the public health orders issued for the protection of one's state/country would be the first to be outraged if denied the protections of law and utilities and healthcare and so on pertaining to residents of that state/country.

[4channel]

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@countessalmirena wrote:

If we wish to enjoy the amenities and protections of society, our behaviour will be limited by the laws of that society. We might not agree with some of those laws, but the majority will be there for the protection of life and property of the individuals comprising that society.

I have little doubt that the same protesters who want to defy the public health orders issued for the protection of one's state/country would be the first to be outraged if denied the protections of law and utilities and healthcare and so on pertaining to residents of that state/country.

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Interesting choice of words.  Anyway,  the protestors, many of them are outraged, highly concerned about where Australia is heading.

Just speaking in general here. Laws in many countries, incl. Australia, USA England etc. are often designed to include or rather accommodate the profit desire of huge corporations. And some of these corporations happen to be from the mining, agriculture-chemical and pharmaceutical  industries. With things the way that they are and how things get played out, the well being of human beings and the environment is not always the primary concern!

Some twenty years ago we saw Iraq being invaded. It's pretty obvious to many that the reasons for the invasion were bogus and now appears that it was all about certain industries making a huge profit as well as control over pricing and regional dominance.  One man, former British Foreign Secretary, Robin Cook had the decency, integrity and bravery to resign over something so wrong!  Other cabinet ministers obviously didn't have the same sense of duty held by Mr. Cook.

The acceptance, perception or lack of full understanding of what takes place in the world is often there because how a situation is presented in the media. And in certain situations the depiction of both cause and effect are grossly inaccurate.

Looking back on Iraq with the lead-up to the invasion and how  media was beating the drums on behalf of certain parties, some folks may wonder if something similar is happening now. Also looking back at what has happened to Iraq, the state it has been left in, it's rich cultural history and identity being destroyed beyond any hope of repair and much of it being lost forever, who's going to be held accountable? Who's going to be held accountable for the displaced families, the uncountable deaths, the economy ruined, the ongoing sickness due to weapons that were used?  And all the invaders can say, Bush, Blair, Howard etc. is, "We got it wrong". Well, that's no excuse!

For those who want to get this injection which has been pushed out in a fraction of the time it takes to properly test, then let them have their wish fulfilled if that helps them deal with the situation.  They should be respected. For those who do not want their skin penetrated and have this substance in their veins then let their wish, their right and sovereignty be upheld and respected. There are laws in place which give protection to a person's personal space and body.  Walk over that and then we have Fascism.

With a health issue,  the path to one's health should be decided by the individual. Fascism  is what Australian and other allied soldiers fought against in the first and second world wars.

[domino-710]

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@4channel wrote:

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@countessalmirena wrote:

If we wish to enjoy the amenities and protections of society, our behaviour will be limited by the laws of that society. We might not agree with some of those laws, but the majority will be there for the protection of life and property of the individuals comprising that society.

I have little doubt that the same protesters who want to defy the public health orders issued for the protection of one's state/country would be the first to be outraged if denied the protections of law and utilities and healthcare and so on pertaining to residents of that state/country.

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Interesting choice of words. 

For those who do not want their skin penetrated and have this substance in their veins then let their wish, their right and sovereignty be upheld and respected. There are laws in place which give protection to a person's personal space and body.  Walk over that and then we have Fascism.

With a health issue,  the path to one's health should be decided by the individual. Fascism  is what Australian and other allied soldiers fought against in the first and second world wars.

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But you are willing to tout Ivermectin.

An anti-vaxx police officer has died in Georgia after a short battle with COVID-19.

Captain Joe Manning posted anti-vaxx messages on Facebook and took the drug ivermectin.

The CDC has said ivermectin does not help prevent or treat coronavirus and can cause severe illness.

A Georgia police officer who frequently posted anti-vaxx messages on Facebook and took an anti-parasitic drug instead of a vaccine has died of COVID-19.

Captain Joe Manning, 57, of the Wayne County Sheriff's Office died on Wednesday after a short battle with the virus, according to local news station WSAV.

Sheriff Chuck Moseley said, "Captain Manning was an integral part of our family and our hearts are broken. Our love and prayers go forward to his family," according to WSAV."

After the announcement of his death, Facebook posts made by Manning circulated on social media.

In one post, Manning shared an image that said" "I am not vaccinated by choice and that's my right."

In another, Manning encouraged people to stock up on the anti-parasitic drug ivermectin, frequently used to deworm horses, and increasingly being taken by people in a misguided attempt to treat or prevent COVID-19.

"OK Folks Wayne Feed and Seed has some liquid and paste Ivermectin get it while supplies last," Manning wrote on Facebook.

Manning also wrote on Facebook that he had taken ivermectin himself, and criticized Facebook for disciplining him for spreading misinformation, The Independent reported.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have said the drug does not help prevent or treat coronavirus, and this week issued a health advisory detailing an increase in severe illness caused by taking ivermectin.

Calls to US poison control centers about ivermectin exposures increased five-fold from the pre-pandemic baseline, with an especially sharp rise in July 2021, a CDC report said.

The Food and Drug Administration asked people to stop taking the drug, stating "You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it."

[4channel]

Further to my last post as far as drug treatments go, I don't concentrate my interest or narration on one in particular.  I advocate listening to medical professionals regarding this. I also believe strongly that any such direction is taken in the course, the treatment can only be done under the supervision of a medical professional, IE: A licensed medical practitioner.

Treatments involving Azithromycin, Baricitinib, Dexamethasone, Doxycycline, Hydroxychlorqine, Ivermectin etc.,  and the new oral drugs on the market soon such as the ones that Merck etc. have an interest in,  may be better discussed on the below thread.

Possible drug treatment for Covid 19 rather than vaccine

https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Possible-drug-treatment-for-Covid-19-rather-than-v...

It needs to be noted that most of the drugs used to treat Covid 19 symptoms in the early days are never meant to be taken on their own and are only part of the treatment.  Again, any approach to treatment must be prescribed and monitored by a proper medical practitioner. Administration should only be done via a licensed. recognized pharmaceutical outlet. The treatment procedure been stated by Dr. Peter McCullough and other professionals on numerous occasions.

[domino-710]

If better discussed - as you say - on another thread - why do it here.??