10-03-2021 05:10 AM - edited 10-03-2021 05:14 AM
How much is too much?
3.6M views 1 year agoHarvard professor Shoshana Zuboff wrote a monumental book about the new economic order that is alarming. "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism," reveals how the biggest tech companies deal with our data. How do we regain control of our data? What is surveillance capitalism? In this documentary, Zuboff takes the lid off Google and Facebook and reveals a merciless form of capitalism in which no natural resources, but the citizen itself, serves as a raw material. How can citizens regain control of their data?===================================================================================90K views 1 year agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL4bz3QXWEo
When should enough have been enough? The part (at 7:30) about a woman being pregnant and a supermarket chain knowing before she did is an eye opener. Shoulld be a brain opener too.
Interestingly, one of our valued regulars posted something similar some time back.
Pokemon Go an Invasion of Privacyon 07-24-2016 12:48 PM
@icyfroth wrote:
Film director Oliver Stone has says Pokémon Go is a “new level of invasion” of privacy that could lead to “totalitarianism”.
Oliver Stone has a history of taking on the establishment, and questioning historical and social narratives that society has been conditioned to accept as truth.
While promoting his new movie about NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden at Comic-Con International, the hollywood filmmaker was asked about security concerns associated with Pokémon Go.
Stone noted that companies were actually using the game to carry out“surveillance capitalism” by monitoring people’s behaviour.
Stone said…
“It’s not funny. What’s happening is a new level of invasion.
“The profits are enormous here for places like Google. They’ve invested a huge amount of money in data mining what you are buying, what you like, your behaviour.
“It’s what some people call surveillance capitalism.”
I'm surprised that more folks didn't post on her thread. Don't we care?
on 11-03-2021 08:48 PM
But at what point does the wish for privacy turn into paranoia? Privacy has to be negotiable to some extent. Every time we invite someone into our home, chat to them in an online forum, send them an email or give them our address or phone number we trade in a modicum of privacy in exchange for company or communication.
Unless, of course one wants to be one of those reclusive eccentrics who shuns all human contact and whose body is only discovered, weeks after their death by neighbours who notice a nasty smell coming fromt their house.
on 11-03-2021 09:31 PM
And some don't even understand what privacy is. It is nothing, for example, about being remolded. It has to do with solitude when desired.
on 11-03-2021 10:23 PM
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
But at what point does the wish for privacy turn into paranoia? Privacy has to be negotiable to some extent. Every time we invite someone into our home, chat to them in an online forum, send them an email or give them our address or phone number we trade in a modicum of privacy in exchange for company or communication.
The wish for privacy usually turns into paranoia when there are other issues involved Anyone with a good amount of common sense knows what value to put on personal info and what needs to be given over to interact with life's necessities.
Where and when the desire to access certain things both labour saving and pleasurable becomes an example of stupidity is when they get advertising stuff and think .... "They must have read my mind". Take Facebook for example, people would be surprised to lean how much info the Central Intelligence Agency is able to get from that site!
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
Unless, of course one wants to be one of those reclusive eccentrics who shuns all human contact and whose body is only discovered, weeks after their death by neighbours who notice a nasty smell coming fromt their house.
What you have described has little to do with someone wanting to safeguard their privacy and put value on privacy. It has a lot to do with someone suffering mental issues.
on 11-03-2021 10:45 PM
@4channel wrote:What you have described has little to do with someone wanting to safeguard their privacy and put value on privacy. It has a lot to do with someone suffering mental issues.
So everyone who obeyed the law and stayed home alone during the many covid lockdowns over the last 12 months was suffering from mental issues?
Wow, there must be tens of thousands of us law abiding citizens who are completely mad.
on 12-03-2021 01:16 AM
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@4channel wrote:
What you have described has little to do with someone wanting to safeguard their privacy and put value on privacy. It has a lot to do with someone suffering mental issues.
@lyndal1838 wrote:
So everyone who obeyed the law and stayed home alone during the many covid lockdowns over the last 12 months was suffering from mental issues?
Wow, there must be tens of thousands of us law abiding citizens who are completely mad.
My dear lyndal1838, are you for real. What on earth have the people staying home alone during the covid lockdowns got to do with this discussion about privacy? It's obvious that the_great_she_elephant was attempting to counter me with suggestions of eccentric recluses with mental issues and rotting corpses, making out they were somehow connected to a concept of privacy. LOL and now you're trying this angle??
Just in case you are for real, well it's obvious that the Howard Hughes type of recluse is a whole different thing to people being forced into lockdown.
Actually, it could be argued that in the state of Victoria that the people who spoke out against a certain dictator premier and his (some may even say Khmer Rouge wannabe styled tactics) had more thinking going on upstairs than those who bowed to his will. But that's a whole different discussion.
Postage stamp size for when and if a certain state becomes the exclusive domain or principality of Swerdna Nad
Ok lyndal1838, why is it so hard to accept that people who treasure privacy may be on to something good.? Have you listened to or watched the clips by Harvard professor Shoshana Zuboff?
on 12-03-2021 11:29 AM
4channel wrote: The wish for privacy usually turns into paranoia when there are other issues involved Anyone with a good amount of common sense knows what value to put on personal info and what needs to be given over to interact with life's necessities.
Where and when the desire to access certain things both labour saving and pleasurable becomes an example of stupidity is when they get advertising stuff and think .... "They must have read my mind". Take Facebook for example, people would be surprised to lean how much info the Central Intelligence Agency is able to get from that site!
So would it be fair to say the wish for privacy turns into paranoia wen we suspect the CIA may be spying on us via Facebook.
on 12-03-2021 01:49 PM
on 12-03-2021 04:01 PM
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
So would it be fair to say the wish for privacy turns into paranoia wen we suspect the CIA may be spying on us via Facebook.
I seriously doubt that the people who value privacy would think the CIA is actually spying on them individually by looking over their Facebook account. I believe the article addresses another procedure by the agency.
Talking of Paranoia, it has been noticed that many people who don't like the idea of people speaking in support of privacy or health-freedom issues etc. may have paranoid thoughts themselves. It seems they have bought into this hype that anyone who challenges something supposedly sanctioned by the system is going to destroy it and plunge everyone into the unknown. True! I have come across a couple of folks like that in my time. These types of people are why fascist dictatorships have control. Well, I personally believe the system can work, I believe that positive change can be achieeved by peaceful means where decent honest representatives are elected in. One way to ensure good things are done is to positivity engage in "Discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances".
BTW: What did you think of Shoshana Zuboff's lectures? They were linked in Post #1 on this thread.
on 12-03-2021 04:41 PM
Just LOL - now Privacy has taken on Paranoia.
Tin foil must be a bit like toot paper - getting scarcer.
on 12-03-2021 04:46 PM
@4channel wrote:
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
So would it be fair to say the wish for privacy turns into paranoia wen we suspect the CIA may be spying on us via Facebook.
I seriously doubt that the people who value privacy would think the CIA is actually spying on them individually by looking over their Facebook account. I believe the article addresses another procedure by the agency.
Talking of Paranoia, it has been noticed that many people who don't like the idea of people speaking in support of privacy or health-freedom issues etc. may have paranoid thoughts themselves. It seems they have bought into this hype that anyone who challenges something supposedly sanctioned by the system is going to destroy it and plunge everyone into the unknown. True! I have come across a couple of folks like that in my time. These types of people are why fascist dictatorships have control. Well, I personally believe the system can work, I believe that positive change can be achieeved by peaceful means where decent honest representatives are elected in. One way to ensure good things are done is to positivity engage in "Discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances".
BTW: What did you think of Shoshana Zuboff's lectures? They were linked in Post #1 on this thread.
All it takes is a ' couple '. Oh BROTHER.