If one place is mass infected , stands to reason....

[rogespeed]

Latest mass outbreak of coronavirus is at an abattoir 

 https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/melbourne/coronavirus-cases-in-victoria-climb-by-22-including-19-more...

Now if there is at this time a mass infection of a new venue , stands to reason that similar venues will be likewise suffer infection of it's workers or if not should be placed under intense ongoing anti-pathogen monitoring

(Also meat growers - any concentration of mammals with ACE2 protein , handled in clammy high stress  enclosed conditions ie porcine animal farms, grain fed shed cattle etc )

To encourage enthusiastic co-operation - maybe helpful to make clear in the event of an unfortunate contagion available financial worker and company support will be quickly accessable. 

[rogespeed]

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@rogespeed wrote:

Latest mass outbreak of coronavirus is at an abattoir 

 https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/melbourne/coronavirus-cases-in-victoria-climb-by-22-including-19-more...

Now if there is at this time a mass infection of a new venue , stands to reason that similar venues will be likewise suffer infection of it's workers or if not should be placed under intense ongoing anti-pathogen monitoring

(Also meat growers - any concentration of mammals with ACE2 protein , handled in clammy high stress  enclosed conditions ie porcine animal farms, grain fed shed cattle etc )

To encourage enthusiastic co-operation - maybe helpful to make clear in the event of an unfortunate contagion available financial worker and company support will be quickly accessable. 

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simply means that if one type of venue has been found to suffer a coronavirus infestation , then there could possibly be others of the same type of venue likewise infected ,  and so all such venues should be tested as a matter of urgency 

ie passenger cruise ships arriving in Australia

[chameleon54]

I don't think anyone is suggesting Corona virus is being transmitted from farmed animals in Australia to humans are they ? ( even if that is how your post looks )

The only thing that is really relevant in this story is that many unemployed Australians refuse to accept work in meatworks, meaning they have higher than normal number of 457 visa workers. These people by nature visit families in countries with poorer health standards than Australia and yes many meatworks employees are Chinese.

If you are going to have a higher level of testing in meatworks due to the large percentage of foreign workers, you will need to do the same in other industries with high levels of foreign workers. Examples include the health care sector, the Building industry, Mining and Hospitality.

It is worth mentioning that most major meatworks have very high levels of Covid 19 preparedness compared to other industries. Many major facilities have divided the workforce into a number of separate workforce cells with completely separate lunch rooms, washroom amenities etc. . This way, if one section of the plants staff are affected by Covid 19, the other cells can continue operations unaffected while clean up procedures are enacted. It is also recognised by government that abattoirs are regarded as very low risk of transmission due to the exceptionally high levels of food hygiene standards already in place. This includes regular sterilisation of stainless steel work surfaces, impervious protective clothing, headware and footwear for workers and the use of masks in the work area during plant operation. ( introduced to many facilities since the arrival of Covid 19 to Australia )

My guess is transmission in this cluster was more likely to occur during lunch breaks or out of hours socialising rather than through direct transmission actually within the work area. 

[rogespeed]

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@chameleon54 wrote:

I don't think anyone is suggesting Corona virus is being transmitted from farmed animals in Australia to humans are they ? ( even if that is how your post looks )

The only thing that is really relevant in this story is that many unemployed Australians refuse to accept work in meatworks, meaning they have higher than normal number of 457 visa workers. These people by nature visit families in countries with poorer health standards than Australia and yes many meatworks employees are Chinese.

If you are going to have a higher level of testing in meatworks due to the large percentage of foreign workers, you will need to do the same in other industries with high levels of foreign workers. Examples include the health care sector, the Building industry, Mining and Hospitality.

It is worth mentioning that most major meatworks have very high levels of Covid 19 preparedness compared to other industries. Many major facilities have divided the workforce into a number of separate workforce cells with completely separate lunch rooms, washroom amenities etc. . This way, if one section of the plants staff are affected by Covid 19, the other cells can continue operations unaffected while clean up procedures are enacted. It is also recognised by government that abattoirs are regarded as very low risk of transmission due to the exceptionally high levels of food hygiene standards already in place. This includes regular sterilisation of stainless steel work surfaces, impervious protective clothing, headware and footwear for workers and the use of masks in the work area during plant operation. ( introduced to many facilities since the arrival of Covid 19 to Australia )

My guess is transmission in this cluster was more likely to occur during lunch breaks or out of hours socialising rather than through direct transmission actually within the work area. 

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this is what was written:

simply means that if one type of venue has been found to suffer a coronavirus infestation , then there could possibly be others of the same type of venue likewise infected ,  and so all such venues should be tested as a matter of urgency 

ie passenger cruise ships arriving in Australia

Foreign workers not relevant nor mentioned or implied , no animals infecting hapless workers , meatworks obviously do not have enough preparedness or else there would be no serious covid-19 issues

I only mentioned mammals that have ACE2 proteins to provoke a wider range of meat-works to be included in comprehensive testing.

[rogespeed]

Well at least they are on the ball now ( so to speak ) 

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/meat-plant-cluster-praised-as-model-example-despite-13-new-...

Can anyone find the post that discussed this possibilty or similar maybe a month ago ? 

[*kazumi*]

Number of meatworks in the USA were closed due to high numbers of infections of C19.  It could be due to people working close to each other in cool conditions.   The virus may very well last longer under those conditions.  All what it take is one asymptomatic person infecting several other who do not get sick for a while, and by the time the 1st person becomes ill you can have 100s infected.  That is why re-opening businesses too early is so dangerous.  People should not be going out or to work as normal without being tested. 

[springyzone]

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simply means that if one type of venue has been found to suffer a coronavirus infestation , then there could possibly be others of the same type of venue likewise infected ,  and so all such venues should be tested as a matter of urgency 

ie passenger cruise ships arriving in Australia

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I don't know that I would necessarily accept the premise that because some people in one type of venue have the virus, that other venues of the same type are necessarily more likely to have it too.

Depends on a lot of factors.

For example, if someone working in Subway came down with it, does that mean all subway stores are higher risk than say, Maccas or K mart? I'd say not necessarily, depends on a lot of different factors such as how a store operates/amount of contact with public/location of the particular venue/likely clietele of any particular venue etc

Cruise ships-we already know that because of the layout, confined environment, close contact of large crowds, buffet etc that viruses can spread there. Same is pretty true in schools too, I should add. Not that schools have buffet but the close contact is definitely a thing & I have seen illnesses/tummy upsets etc rage through shools.

With regard to the meatworks, I did read that the earliest case from there that authorities knew of told the powers that be that they had not been into work for some time and as a result, the workplace was not told. The government official explaining this on TV said they had to take a patient's account of their movements at face value.

I accept that, but I also think that even if a person hasn't been in to work for a month, a workplace should be informed if a worker comes down with covid, just as a matter of course. I was shocked that that didn't happen.

My son in law is working in a factory (not a meatworks) but every day when he reports to work, his temp is taken and it is taken again during his shift. Any temp or even a commmon cold and home they go and not allowed back without a doctor's certificate.

Our local chemist doesn't let anyone into the store without spraying their hands and taking their temp.

Maybe all workplaces in the most affected states need to do something similar-temp taken as you arrive.

[rogespeed]

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@*kazumi* wrote:

Number of meatworks in the USA were closed due to high numbers of infections of C19.  It could be due to people working close to each other in cool conditions.   The virus may very well last longer under those conditions.  All what it take is one asymptomatic person infecting several other who do not get sick for a while, and by the time the 1st person becomes ill you can have 100s infected.  That is why re-opening businesses too early is so dangerous.  People should not be going out or to work as normal without being tested. 

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Observed but not clinically proven danger zones are cold and clammy ambient conditions (winter time) with people in close proximity being warm and stressed (indoor manual  workers) or emotional ( corp meetings, weddings) or feeling run down ( winter time train passengers)

The lunch room is the big concern or should be - tends to be crowded with little ventilation - they might have to set up small portable one person tables and deck chairs in a larger area to keep distance - probably a good idea as is not culturally natural to eat elbow to jowl with strangers even if the practice has developed in some work environments over time  

[rogespeed]

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simply means that if one type of venue has been found to suffer a coronavirus infestation , then there could possibly be others of the same type of venue likewise infected ,  and so all such venues should be tested as a matter of urgency 

ie passenger cruise ships arriving in Australia

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I don't know that I would necessarily accept the premise that because some people in one type of venue have the virus, that other venues of the same type are necessarily more likely to have it too.

Depends on a lot of factors.

For example, if someone working in Subway came down with it, does that mean all subway stores are higher risk than say, Maccas or K mart? I'd say not necessarily, depends on a lot of different factors such as how a store operates/amount of contact with public/location of the particular venue/likely clietele of any particular venue etc

Cruise ships-we already know that because of the layout, confined environment, close contact of large crowds, buffet etc that viruses can spread there. Same is pretty true in schools too, I should add. Not that schools have buffet but the close contact is definitely a thing & I have seen illnesses/tummy upsets etc rage through shools.

With regard to the meatworks, I did read that the earliest case from there that authorities knew of told the powers that be that they had not been into work for some time and as a result, the workplace was not told. The government official explaining this on TV said they had to take a patient's account of their movements at face value.

I accept that, but I also think that even if a person hasn't been in to work for a month, a workplace should be informed if a worker comes down with covid, just as a matter of course. I was shocked that that didn't happen.

My son in law is working in a factory (not a meatworks) but every day when he reports to work, his temp is taken and it is taken again during his shift. Any temp or even a commmon cold and home they go and not allowed back without a doctor's certificate.

Our local chemist doesn't let anyone into the store without spraying their hands and taking their temp.

Maybe all workplaces in the most affected states need to do something similar-temp taken as you arrive.

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re " Maybe all workplaces in the most affected states need to do something similar-temp taken as you arrive."

Would be a good permanent standard procedure , so as to detect servere seasonal flu and bad common cold as well , sometimes people just plod on not realising how serious their condition is, until they just do not get out of bed one morning - in the mean time they are spreading the infection which means even more lost productivity and maybe lost workers  

[*kazumi*]

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re " Maybe all workplaces in the most affected states need to do something similar-temp taken as you arrive."

Would be a good permanent standard procedure , so as to detect servere seasonal flu and bad common cold as well , sometimes people just plod on not realising how serious their condition is, until they just do not get out of bed one morning - in the mean time they are spreading the infection which means even more lost productivity and maybe lost workers  

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The problem is that people are infectious before they show any signs of illness, some never show any signs.  Taking temperature is a good idea but not foolproof way to stop infections.