If you don't believe in Climate Change..........

Do you believe polution should be reduced?

 

 

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in germany there is  a law that states that you can leave the "umverpackung" with the store where you bought it.

 

Umverpackung is the stuff around the real verpackung.

 

in the case of my contact lense fluid it would be the cardboard box around the 2 plastic bottles containing the liquid.

in reality what you do is after you paid for the item you take the bottles out of the umverpackung and leave the umverpackung in the store. there are bins for that.

 

there is also a law that says that when you buy drinks in bottles the shop that sold you the bottles HAS to take back the empty bottles.

BTW: in germany when you buy beer it comes 24 x 0.5 litre bottles (for a quarter of the price here) inside a plastic crate.

you drink the beer, put the bottles back into the crate and take it back to the place you bought it. they take it back, refund you and then the bottles are send back, washed and filled with beer again.

 

it seems very wasteful to me to scrap the bottles and melt them again to make new bottles.

 

when i came here i thought i was back in the middle ages. i couldn't believe that primitive system along other barbarian things here. (tryig to not getting worked up about the cardboard carton around every carton of beer! AARRRGGGHHHH)

 

don't get me wrong, australia is a lovely country but when you come from a modern country it seems so unnecessarily backward.

 

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I loved Germany and you're right, here we have hyperventilating because we were accosted with a "carbon tax"  that did nothing about the purveyors of plastic junk unlimited, 

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@silverfaun wrote:

I loved Germany and you're right, here we have hyperventilating because we were accosted with a "carbon tax"  that did nothing about the purveyors of plastic junk unlimited, 


 The manufacture of every ton of PET produces around 3 tons of carbon dioxide (CO2). Bottling water thus created more than 2.5 million tons of CO2 in 2006.

a carbon tax is the best method of reduction Smiley Happy

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in germany also sparkling water and soft drinks are handled the same way. they come in glass bottles that are washed out and re-used again without wasting lots of power to melt them down to make them into new bottles.

 

i think there is a carbon trading scheme in germany but can't be bothered to waste my time on that as i need to attend the interesting anatomie of my hubby. Robot tongue

 

 

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The only place that shoild be allowed to sell bottled water is Adelaide.
If you told someone years ago that people would pay money for bottled water,they would have laughed at you.
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So true spot, I was amazed to see bottled water in supermarkets in the USA in the 80's

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BTW: in germany when you buy beer it comes 24 x 0.5 litre bottles (for a quarter of the price here) inside a plastic crate.

you drink the beer, put the bottles back into the crate and take it back to the place you bought it. they take it back, refund you and then the bottles are send back, washed and filled with beer again.

 

 

is that what you call "pfand"?  buy specially marked bottles, pay extra deposit on top of the initial cost which is refunded upon return?

 

 

 

I agree, Australia seems so far behind in so many ways.

 

 

 

 

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"Why's the rubbish there, Dad?" Go ask Coca Cola

Posted Thu 8 Aug 2013, 3:49pm AEST

David Ritter says recycling cans and plastic bottles has proven to be effective and wildly popular, so why has it not been implemented across the country?

A few weeks ago, I was at a kids’ birthday picnic by one of Sydney Harbour's magical little bays.

The weather was fine, the company convivial, and the children were either haring about on the grass and sand, or dipping tentative toes in the few cold inches of gentle ocean shallows.

At one point I went for a walk along the beach with my four-year-old daughter Josie, to pick up driftwood and shells. We couldn't help but notice the plastic garbage that had washed up on the sand, including a heck of a lot of plastic bottles with their colourful screw top lids. 

Prominent among the corporate logos fading on the litter was the famous red and white squiggle of the real thing itself, Coca-Cola. 

The sight was an ugly jolt in our shared communion with the sky, sand and sea. "Why is the rubbish there, Dad?" my daughter asked. 

Had we been on a beach in South Australia, it is less likely that my daughter and I would have come across an empty Coke bottle on the beach. Thirty six years ago the Croweaters wisely introduced a container deposit recycling scheme.

 

The arrangement couldn't be simpler: if you buy a bottled or canned drink in South Australia, you pay a 10c deposit - added to the cost of the drink - which is refunded when you return the empty. 

The South Australian system is highly successful, resulting in the removal and recycling of around 80 per cent of cans and bottles.

Almost everybody in South Australia supports container deposit recycling, as do 86 per cent of people in NSW and 81 per cent in Victoria. But, sadly, residents of other states are still waiting for their governments to adopt the scheme.

The question has to be asked: container deposit recycling is proven to be effective and wildly popular, so why has it not been implemented across our nation?  The troubling answer lies in the apparent influence of fizzy drink companies on the functioning of Australian democracy.

A coalition of big beverage corporations led by Coca-Cola Amatil, and now united under the banner of theAustralian Food and Grocery Council, has waged a ferocious legal and political campaign to prevent the spread of container deposit recycling outside of South Australia.  

Coke in particular has lobbied politicians, run misleading advertising campaigns, seemingly called the policeon peaceful campaigners, and even taken the Northern Territory government to court for trying to introduce its own cash for containers scheme. 

In the end it was only intervention by the Federal Executive Council that has enabled the NT to continue with the scheme.

According to NSW Nationals MP John Williams, political donations also explain the impasse, because historically, "both Labor and Liberal governments have been supported by the Packaged Stewardship Forum which basically helps them with elections and helps with funds". 

The beverage companies' lobbying power is compounded by their hefty advertising budgets.

Earlier this year, no commercial television station in Australia was prepared to take Greenpeace's money to run an ad (since viewed more than a 1.3 million times on YouTube) targeting Coke and in favour of container deposit recycling. 

ABC's Media Watch labelled the commercial boycotting of the ad 'disturbing' and a 'restriction on free speech'.

What's emerged in response to the corporate heavy-handedness is a broad community alliance of surfers, scientists, runners, recycling campaigners and thousands of other Australians, who are challenging Coca-Cola and friends.  Most recently Canterbury Girls High School stood up to be counted, banning Coca-Cola from their school canteen. 

You only have to go down to the Cooks River in Sydney to see that doing nothing results in a big problem. … It is a disgrace.  … We want to live in a place that is clean and where people care for their environment and take steps to protect it for future generations.

Every remaining state except Queensland is now considering introducing container deposit recycling – and the nation may yet get together on the issue.  But the battle is far from won.  The fate of our rivers and beaches, our parks and marine life, remains in the balance.  Will the people prevail? Or do we actually live in a pop drink democracy, where the convenience of corporate giants comes first?  

The governments of Australia must decide just whose side they're on.

Here in Sydney, I am hoping Barry O'Farrell will act, so that my daughter's next beachside question is more likely to be "why is the sea blue?", instead of "why is the rubbish there, Dad?".

David Ritter is the Chief Executive Officer of Greenpeace Australia Pacific and a Visiting Fellow to the Faculty of Law at the University of Western Australia. View his full profile here.

 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-08/ritter---bottle-recycling/4873740

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I posted the whole article as I know some posters don't like links .

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It's not just drinks bottles that are to blame. As I posted before. It's the mountains of junk imported from China. Rubbish we see discarded because it didn't cost much so we can buy another one toys that are rubbbish & the packaging is the worst culprit.

 

I have nothinng against plastic used sparingly but the garbage sold as merchandise is disgusting, the $2 shops & other purveyors of this trash all ends up in land fill, all adds to the methane gases, all adds to the visual pollution.

 

Cheap Chinese junk, who would buy it? well everybody apparently, there's money in it so who cares about the environment eh.

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