05-09-2013 09:55 AM - edited 05-09-2013 09:58 AM
An Interesting Breakfast Radio Show with Sami and Yumi this morning.
Amongst other things discussed, this topic came up:
"A single sentence, uttered in the trial of George Zimmerman for the shooting of teenager Trayvon Martin, has catapulted an issue into the national spotlight.
When asked if she could read a letter in court, witness Rachel Jeantel, her head bowed, murmured with embarrassment, "I don't read cursive," ABC News reports."
The recently established Common Core State Standards, the standardized educational benchmarks for U.S. public schools, omit cursive as a requirement. Some states, including Indiana and Hawaii, had dropped cursive from their curricula in favor of keyboard proficiency as early as 2011.
A single sentence, uttered in the trial of George Zimmerman for the shooting of teenager Trayvon Martin, has catapulted an issue into the national spotlight.
When asked if she could read a letter in court, witness Rachel Jeantel, her head bowed, murmured with embarrassment, "I don't read cursive," ABC News reports.
Is it any surprise that cursive — the looped, curvaceous style of handwriting that's been a mainstay of education for generations — is all but dead? [15 Weird Things We Do Everyday, and Why]
"Cursive should be allowed to die. In fact, it's already dying, despite having been taught for decades," Morgan Polikoff, assistant professor of education at the University of Southern California's Rossier School of Education, told The New York Times.
"Very small proportions of adults use cursive for their day-to-day writing," Polikoff said. "Much of our communication is done on a keyboard, and the rest is done with print."
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I must admit, I don't cursive write anymore my handwriting has degenerated since using the keyboard. When writing by hand, I print.
Yumi says her 9 and 11yo had just learned to print when they had to start all over again to learn cursive.
Sami says if she had kids she'd want them taught cursive writing. Of 5 callers, 3 were adamant they'd want their children to learn cursive writing. The other 2, one them a teacher said no, it's never used in real life, it's taken over by computer writing the same as we use calculator to do our maths with. The other, a child developmental practioner, said children needed cursive writing lessons to help hand-eye co-ordination.
It seems that we are regressing with the education of our children. Over 200 years we battled for public education for every child to be taught to read, write and do basic arithmetic.
I think the socially disadvantaged will become even more so if these basic skills are no longer taught in the public education system.
Technology can fail, but basic learned skills are with you a lifetime.
on 05-09-2013 03:03 PM
I had attrocious handwriting as a child. As an experiment in one of my High School years a group of us chronic scrawlers was given an intensive course in italic script. I am eternally grateful to whoever thought up that idea. My ordinary handwriting is still a bit scrawly, but when I need to - and put my mind to it - I can still do a pretty good italic 'hand.
on 05-09-2013 03:06 PM
@illicit69 wrote:Whilst agree that Mathematics (without the use of the dreaded calculator) is the most important of all the subjects at School. However, if you’re not taught cursive writing (it used to be called “copy book” writing when I was a child and I loved it,are our children of today going to simply print their signature because they’ve never been taught basic ‘running writing’ – how easy that would be to forge? Call me old fashioned, but to my mind true cursive writing (penmanship) is a thing of beauty, it’s an art and something that should never be allowed to die.
That is pretty, illicit. We learned modified cursive at school (NSW late 60s early 70s) which was rather boring with no loops.
on 05-09-2013 03:28 PM
not if they had trained their brain sufficiently.
Math is simply about learning the sequences in a logical order and mastering each step before moving onto the next step. The only skill required is sufficient practise and mastery at each level.
The sequence that 16 MILLION children world wide follow is
7A-2A are preschool levels.
Levels A-F are elementary school levels.
Levels G-J are middle school levels.
Levels K-O are high school levels.
Level X is an elective level for grades 7+; also, there are no tests available yet on this level.
As I said a LOGICAL order - now compare that to what and how it is taught in Australian Schools
on 05-09-2013 03:34 PM
@*elizabeths-mum* wrote:
@crikey*mate wrote:When my eldest was in grade 9, he had to do some algebra test and use an Fx82 calculator (calculator skills are actually a part of the curriculum!). He didn't use calculators at all (mainly because he keeps losing them), so didn't on this test.He got all of the answers correct in 20 minutes (they were allowed 40). His teacher failed him. She then called me up to the school horrified that my kid was failing Math. When I pointed out that he could do math, he had gotten every sum correct, her reply was "if he can't use a calculator he will never be able to do calculus"... I responded that Isaac Newton invented calculus and all he had was an abacus.
If part of the examination was to demonstrate that he knows how to use a calculator and he didn't, of course he would have failed. The same thing happens in other areas, sewing as an example. If part of the test/assignment is to make a garment using a sewing machine, a handsewn item (no matter how superior the french seams and hemstitching are) will not fulfill the requirements.
yes, I get that, but the point is the curriculum has been dumbed down so much that even the kids are being taught that to do the above mentally is impossible as evidenced by the teacher's assertion that if he couldn't use a calculator for algebra, he would never learn calculus..... (Isaac Newton would argue with that)
The above curriculum proves differently. The Facts are that a calculator IS NOT necessary for a child for school level math - their brains can and are being trained to do it without electronic aide - just like the good old days when kids could add up a few numbers in their head, tally up their father's golf score, work out how many cans of coke they could buy for $20, tally up a customers order even in a power outage and know how much change they should either give or receive.
on 05-09-2013 03:40 PM
Illicit, that is the cursive I was taught. Even the capital Q that looked like a number 2!
I don't think I closed my p like that though. I find I tend to print these days and I'm not even sure when or why that happened.
05-09-2013 03:47 PM - edited 05-09-2013 03:48 PM
Why not go the whole hog and return to the beautiful writing like this from 1681? Anybody can guess which letter it is; YES it is just one letter 🙂
on 05-09-2013 03:48 PM
Obviously a calculator is not necessary for school maths, given the number of us who got by without one, but part of education is learning to respect the rules of the system you are under. Once upon a time you could drive without a licence, should you be able to now if you feel licences are unneccessary?
I am curious, when your child got credits for 4 years of university maths after 3 weeks, how was that assessed?
on 05-09-2013 03:51 PM
Back on topic Sheepie...........this thread is about writing.............not Maths.
I remember sitting in class..............about grade 3 I think.........and we would sit with our paper tilted to the left......and our pens ready, listening to music over the loud speaker which had a ladies voice saying.............and up and up and up and up and up................as we did line after line of what could only be called wavy writing..............to prepare us to learn the rest of cursive writing.
But I admit that I print mostly now.
on 05-09-2013 03:53 PM
I am curious, when your child got credits for 4 years of university maths after 3 weeks, how was that assessed?
Hard work and practice - apparently anyone could do it if they applied themself.
on 05-09-2013 04:01 PM
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:I am curious, when your child got credits for 4 years of university maths after 3 weeks, how was that assessed?
Hard work and practice - apparently anyone could do it if they applied themself.
On a pre test in his 1st year Math course, he got 100% in 20 of the 50 minutes allocated. They did some more testing and because he was underage called me in and told me they had nothing to teach him, there was no point him doing that course.
This then went to the Dean of the university, who oversaw off level testing.
For every class that he was able to acheive 95% accuracy in their end of semester exam, he was granted credit. (He had to show a few other things in some subjects too) He managed credit for all Math Classes, First and second year Physics and First Year Chemistry.