Islamic dress vs the rest of the world

[i-need-a-martini]

How come the burka/niqab is a security risk but the abaya is not? 

How is the burka/niqab oppressive to women but the abaya and the hijab is not?

How is the burka/niqab oppressive to women but the sari is not?

How come the burka/niqab is oppressive to women but the shetel/tishel of jewish women is not?

How come the burka/niqab is oppressive to women but the way Nikki Minaj dressed and behaved in Anaconda is not?

Is a sikhs kacchera and turban oppressive to Indian men? If not why would they wear it?

[punch*drunk]

No I don't. And I have often stated in my argument that perhaps there is a small minority (of the small minority) that may be told to wear it by the husbands. But I don't actually know any muslim women that wear a burka to ask. I suspect not one other poster knows a burka wearing muslim either.

So you think your assumption is more correct than anyones elses here, despite the fact that you have equal exposure to burqa wearing women as the rest of us.

[icyfroth]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

So have you ever worn a burqa, Martini?

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Why would I need to wear a burka? It is not part of my religion nor part of my culture.

I assume if I was a devout muslim, then I would wear one.

I am not sure what the point of the question is?

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No I'm not asking if you NEED to wear a burqa, Martini. I'm asking if you've ever WANTED to? You know, something different. As a fashion statement. See what it feels like. To cover a bit of excess weight. Bad hair day.

My point being that women with REAL choices (such as yourself) don't wear them. They're hot, unflattering (by design) and restrictive of movement.

You're not a devout muslim, but many times you've referred to your italian heritage. Do you wear your italian traditional dress at all times? For special Italian festivals? Ever?

No? Because you don't have to? Choose not to? We've moved on?

Time Australiam muslim women did too.

[punch*drunk]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@punch*drunk wrote:

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

Is it only the burka/niqab that is oppressive?

The hijab and the sari are meant to cover the face when talking to men but most women wear them loose. In theory they should pick them up when they have to cover their face hence the reason why they wear them draped on their shoulder within easy reach.

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So does that mean none of them are face covering except the niqab and burqa?

Obviously any loose flowing scarf type garemnt can be held up to the face, but surely you can see a difference?

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This thread was not specifically about defending the burka.

Prior to the burka/Parliament question, there had been other debates on here regarding the opporession of muslims womens dress. Many think the hijab is oppressive. And if we use the same argument that women don't have a choice to wear/or not the hijab (or the abaya) why don't we say yhe same about saris.

And the irony is that westerners generally regard saris as beautiful but abayas as oppressive.

My thread is to query why we regard some garments as oppressive but not others.

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It seems pretty obvious that most people have a problem with the face covering aspect of the burqa and niqab, I've not actually noticed anyone referring to the hijab as oppressive, but I think there are some that consider the entire religion oppresses women. If that is their experience that are quite entitled to that opinion.

[azureline**]

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@bsal6160 wrote:

To each their own, as long as they do not force it on others. The burka is a security risk in the same way wearing a motorcycle into a bank is.

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how would you wear a motorcycle into a bank?

[Anonymous]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

Or how about white wedding dresses - the ultimate symbol of a western womans virginity given away (n public) by one male to another male?

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if the woman had to wear that long

white dress with the veil over her face

while in public then you could make that

comparison.

i dont think anyone here has any objection

to women wearing traditional clothes during

special ceremonies.

[Anonymous]

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@azureline** wrote:

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@bsal6160 wrote:

To each their own, as long as they do not force it on others. The burka is a security risk in the same way wearing a motorcycle into a bank is.

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how would you wear a motorcycle into a bank?

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i'm pretty sure they meant

a motorcycle helmet.

dont you think?

(i dont think you can wear

a motorcycle -  full stop)

[azureline**]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

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@azureline** wrote:

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@bsal6160 wrote:

To each their own, as long as they do not force it on others. The burka is a security risk in the same way wearing a motorcycle into a bank is.

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how would you wear a motorcycle into a bank?

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i'm pretty sure they meant

a motorcycle helmet.

dont you think?

(i dont think you can wear

a motorcycle -  full stop)

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How would I know? I thought it may have been a joke.........................as I don't know the poster and how they post.

as in ............... about it being a security risk................

Banks obviously don't have that problem as there are no signs up to say no burqas.(but they have them for motorcycle helmets)

[channys_mum]

Hi martini.

You are saying that muslim women don't have to wear the burka.

So therefore there should be no problem taking it off for id in banks etc.

I bet there are heaps of muslim women on here reading all these threads and wondering why it is all being flogged to death.

Sorry to all of you ladies, it is not about you personally.

From my point of view it's when in Rome so to speak. If everyone else has to have faces open to id, then so should you guys. 

No offence meant, so I hope none taken.

[***super_nova***]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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. Do you wear your italian traditional dress at all times? For special Italian festivals? Ever?

No? Because you don't have to? Choose not to? We've moved on?

Time Australiam muslim women did too.

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I think it is up to the individual Muslim women to decide when they want to move on; many did already, the rest represent only wery small %.  It really is a non issue, at least it should be.  There are so many really important issues .................

[polksaladallie]

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@channys_mum wrote:

Hi martini.

You are saying that muslim women don't have to wear the burka.

So therefore there should be no problem taking it off for id in banks etc.

I bet there are heaps of muslim women on here reading all these threads and wondering why it is all being flogged to death.

Sorry to all of you ladies, it is not about you personally.

From my point of view it's when in Rome so to speak. If everyone else has to have faces open to id, then so should you guys. 

No offence meant, so I hope none taken.

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Are you talking to women or men?