Islamic dress vs the rest of the world

[i-need-a-martini]

How come the burka/niqab is a security risk but the abaya is not? 

How is the burka/niqab oppressive to women but the abaya and the hijab is not?

How is the burka/niqab oppressive to women but the sari is not?

How come the burka/niqab is oppressive to women but the shetel/tishel of jewish women is not?

How come the burka/niqab is oppressive to women but the way Nikki Minaj dressed and behaved in Anaconda is not?

Is a sikhs kacchera and turban oppressive to Indian men? If not why would they wear it?

[raptor_rebooted]

TRADITIONAL SAREE

TRADITIONAL ABAYA

[muppet_detector]

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@azureline** wrote:

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@muppet_detector wrote:

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@azureline** wrote:

If you don't like it don't come? if only it were that simple.

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Why isn't it?

The principle applies to just about everything else in society.

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does it?

What about people fleeing for their lives? not the ones who choose to emigrate for economic or family reasons, the ones who are in danger of being persecuted or killed?

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If our laws or rules don't suit, go to New Zealand, Malaysia, USA, England - somewhere that suits you.

Otherwise, surely for the few who have no choice but to flee to Australia, the fact that they are safe surely outweighs the sacrifice of having to adapt to our requirements.

[azureline**]

well, it's moot because we don't have that law. Australians are free to wear the clothing of their choice.

[muppet_detector]

Sorry Martini, I know this belongs on the other thread, but this is kind of where the relevent conversation is

When a child goes to some schools, he is expected to abide by certain rules pertaining to belonging to that community.

These may include

Behavioural Codes as well as Uniform Codes.

Some schools nominate that particular clothing be worn (often changing dependent on activity such as day uniform and sport), some even specify a particular brand/logo, length of socks/skirts/sleeves and the type of hat, shoes and schoolbag which must be worn.

If you don't like any of the rules of that school, you don't go there and find one that is more suited to you.

Certain fields of employment require certain behaviour or dress codes as well.

Requiring specific standards is not something new to Australia or to Australians, regardless of their race, gender or culture.

[i-need-a-martini]

Thanks Muppet. I am glad you are giving the questions some thought.

In regards to your comparison to school rules, we don't have rules regarding dress in Australia EXCEPT in regards to nudity and revealing your face to authorities if wearing a burka. 

I'm not sure what else is needed beyond that?

[the_great_she_elephant]

Why I love my abaya:

It's elegant

It's comfortable,

It protects my skin from the sun

It hides the lumps and biumps

It doesn't make my bum look big.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

The sari is a good example that I keep bringing up. Why do people regard the abaya oppressive on  muslim women and assume her religion/husband forces her to cover up. But we don't hold the same attitude towards saris?

Abaya

do you know how many ways there

are to wear the modern sari?

here is just one example:

Mermaid Sari

A very sexy way to wrap your sari, this style, often seen on brides, will accentuate your body shape and your curves. The downside: Just be sure you plan on walking with small steps because while this style looks fabulous it will limit your range of motion.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/fashion/style-guide/Drape-your-sari-with-a-twist/artic...

Mermaid Sari

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So an abaya is oppressive but the sari is not because it can be worn different way?

It still doesn't answer the qusetion of why (even though both cultures are 'forced' to wear these garments) the abaya is a symbol of oppression and the other is not even though in some parts of INdia (as in some parts of the MIddle EAts) women are required to wear them?

[i-need-a-martini]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

And finally the French - who has been held up as a righteous example on these boards for their stance towards muslim dress. But it is the hijab that they have banned in public schools. Why are we congratulating them from banning the hijab?

the comments i have read were more

to do with france not excluding the hijab

from being banned as conspicuous religious

symbols in public schools.

not sure why the ban of conspicuous religious

symbols is considered by some as targeting

 muslim head scarves.

where there any protests by other religious

groups?

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If I remember correctly I was the one that brought up that religious clothing is banned for secular law reasons in France only after many were congratulating and using France as an example to behold! Everyone else seems to use the French when they think they are beefing up their argument against muslim clothing in general.

[muppet_detector]

Hi Martini, you really have got me thinking and I am attempting to learn. By discussing these sorts of things, as you showed somewhere with the hijab, we get more used to things that are new and we learn to accept them and they become not such a big deal.

I was thinking this before. When I am at the snow fields and I see someone wearing a balaklava, I don't think I bat an eyelid. but if I saw someone wearing one walking down the street I would be aware, go through the motions of is it hot/cold etc and even if it was cold still be suspicious, but if it wasn't cold, I'd be pretty wary and wonder what they were up to. I'd definitely be suspicious of them. When it's warm, you just don't see people walking around wearing one.

Strange, the baddies could be wearing one on the ski fields and it would never occur to me they weren't just another skier, but if I saw one on the streets I'd be suspicious. I guess it is just what you get used to.

With regards to the rules, I was following on from the conversation, that if we did have them (ie the burqa was banned) then they really wouldn't be extraordinary rules if done for security reasons. I believe there is merit in that line of thought.

In my mind, there would be no argument for most of the other reasons going around. I hadn't given thought to the opression angle, and I don't believe anyone should lose rights based on custom, race, belief etc - so if that's their argument, I'd think they were a tosser, but I am still to be convinced that wearing the burqa with the rest of the black flowing outfit is not a security risk and a worthy consideration.

[muppet_detector]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Why I love my abaya:

It's elegant

It's comfortable,

It protects my skin from the sun

It hides the lumps and biumps

It doesn't make my bum look big.

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Turn around and let me see....