Jake Bilardi - who do we blame for him?

[i-need-a-martini]

Another event that highlights the nonsense that sometimes surrounds the young men who stupidly go off to fight with IS.

We often hear on here that the parents are to blame for bringinging their hatred of the ''infidels'' to australia and instilling it into their children. Ignoring the grief these parents are clearly suffering.

And yet here is another case that defies that logic.

A young catholic boy from a seemingly good home who gets sucked into the whole propaganda.

As Bob would say, discuss.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

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@gleee58 wrote:

stupid, stupid, stupid

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That is just plain crazy. 

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No not really. They were talking about this on Hack the other night. People like Jake, no sense of belonging, maybe  bullied at school, craving for attention, they're easily targeted by recruiters on social media for suicide missions.

It gives them a chance to be part of a community, a sense of purpose, earns them a certain respect. They're easy prey.

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Doesn't that apply to all young men caught up in this business?

[bright.ton42]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

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@gleee58 wrote:

stupid, stupid, stupid

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That is just plain crazy. 

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No not really. They were talking about this on Hack the other night. People like Jake, no sense of belonging, maybe  bullied at school, craving for attention, they're easily targeted by recruiters on social media for suicide missions.

It gives them a chance to be part of a community, a sense of purpose, earns them a certain respect. They're easy prey.

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Doesn't that apply to all young men caught up in this business?

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Not all, but many of them yes I would agree.  A sense of belonging, even to something evil. 

[Anonymous]

Julia. - whilst the media are now only getting their information from his blog rantings, early comments by his aunt (made before they realised the extent of his involvement) highlight an ordinary boy in a fairly affluent (and large ) extended Italian Catholic family who became distant after the trauma of his mother's death.

it happens every time a similar topic comes up.

a lot of assumptions based on who knows what.

an interview with his school colleagues revealed 

that he had read the bible but after borrowing a copy

of the koran from a friend, decided that it was the

true religion and the right path for him. 

his aunt did say he turned to islam after his mother

died but didn't indicate he was a good christian boy.

his aunt initially refused to comment until she knew 

exactly what happened to him so i would be interested

to know more of what she had to say.

[gleee58]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

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@gleee58 wrote:

stupid, stupid, stupid

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That is just plain crazy. 

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No not really. They were talking about this on Hack the other night. People like Jake, no sense of belonging, maybe  bullied at school, craving for attention, they're easily targeted by recruiters on social media for suicide missions.

It gives them a chance to be part of a community, a sense of purpose, earns them a certain respect. They're easy prey.

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I think it's a shallow view of it, as it a lot of opinion on the hack because of the nature of the beast.  Talk back discusses the first thought, the first layer of the issue only, the top skin of the onion

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As am said, the death of his mother was of significant impact.  He was obviously able to hide his issues from his family, which from the reports was not a small family.  

[Anonymous]

A person with a cancelled passport wouldnt be allowed out of the country they are trying to leave, I wouldn't think?

wouldn't that alert the authorities? in australia too?

as i said, i dont really know but its the only

thing i can think of.

[cherry*135]

j'10 - his aunt initially refused to comment until she knew 

exactly what happened to him so i would be interested

to know more of what she had to say.

I wouldn't really expect the family to speak more publicly about Jake would you? They have lost a family member at an age where the majority of his life was still before him.. what is more there to say?

They (Aunt) may not know much more either. A nephew planning to join IS, wouldn't be confiding in her.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@gleee58 wrote:

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I think it's a shallow view of it, as it a lot of opinion on the hack because of the nature of the beast.  Talk back discusses the first thought, the first layer of the issue only, the top skin of the onion

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As am said, the death of his mother was of significant impact.  He was obviously able to hide his issues from his family, which from the reports was not a small family.  

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He didn't hide it all that well - his family are the ones that alerted the authorities to the **bleep**nal of weapons he was accumulating that lead to their confiscation.

I would have thought that would have triggered an investigation that would have led to his blog ramblings?

[i-need-a-martini]

Julia - the comments from the aunt I read in the SMH right at the beginning. The comments were sparse and at that stage all she mentioned was that he was a good boy from a Catholic family hit hard by the death of his mum.

No one (family or authorities) have said anything since. Except to release exerpts from his blog - and a reminder that the blog is the blog of a teenage boy going through turmoil. Not sure I would take that as the truth of what was going on on - simply an insight into the mind of a teenage boy.

[cherry*135]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@gleee58 wrote:

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I think it's a shallow view of it, as it a lot of opinion on the hack because of the nature of the beast.  Talk back discusses the first thought, the first layer of the issue only, the top skin of the onion

. 

As am said, the death of his mother was of significant impact.  He was obviously able to hide his issues from his family, which from the reports was not a small family.  

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He didn't hide it all that well - his family are the ones that alerted the authorities to the **bleep**nal of weapons he was accumulating that lead to their confiscation.

I would have thought that would have triggered an investigation that would have led to his blog ramblings?

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That was AFTER he left the country (October) He left in August.

Australian authorities were not aware of the dangerous radicalisation of the 18-year-old school dropout until after he had left the country last August. In October, two months after his departure for Iraq, foreign minister Julie Bishop cancelled his Australian passport. 

The government is now seeking an urgent briefing from national security and law enforcement agencies after police searched his Melbourne home and discovered chemicals that could be used to construct an explosive device, after he left the country.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/teen-jihadi-jake-bilardi-was-preparing-to-bomb-melbourne-20150312-...

[i-need-a-martini]

What?? Not allowed to say "ar-sen-al" on these boards??  Rididculous.