Khaled Sharrouf's Children.

[the_great_she_elephant]

Khaled Sharrouf was born in Australia, as was his wife. Do (did)  either of them have dual citizenship and do his children have dual citizenship? If they don't, how can the Government strip them of their Australian citizenship and  refuse them re-entry to Australia?

[bluecat*dancing]

There are services available for damaged children that do brilliant work with great results. If the children are in state care then the state pays if not the carers usually pay. Funding for these programs is either limited or non-existant. Religious communities have already said that they will provide support for these children to help rehabilitate them.

[Anonymous]

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@bluecat*dancing wrote:

Sydney community leaders said that if the children return they will have to re-habilitated. "They are so young they are like puppets, they don't know anything, they have been fed all of this information by their parents and they believe it," said Mohamad al-Hamwi, from the Australian Syrian Association. "Of course the community must help them to change their beliefs, we will have seminars to help them rehabilitate, and to show other parents and children what the cost is of going into overseas conflicts."

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what cost is there though?

when they find it too tough they

can come back and receive support?

[bluecat*dancing]

Children should not be punished for the actions of their parents.

[*pepe]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

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@karliandjacko wrote:

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@cmcoins2000 wrote:

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@karliandjacko wrote:

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@cmcoins2000 wrote:

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@polksaladallie wrote:

Children do whatever pleases their parents.  It would not have been his choice.  That child will need more therapy than the others, wherever he lives.

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Faced with that - I can categorically say my child at 7 - would not have ventured near such a thing as a severed human head.

Straight for the hills.

Don't know a kid that would or could handle that.

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Most kids would run for the hills but those with a violent drop kick father might fear the violence that would result from refusing to comply more than touching the severed head.

How sad for the children to be so damaged so young.

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Indeed - good point.

And there are drop kick fathers here just as violent - but in different ways.

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Yes, there are but we make excuses for them and we don't call it terrorism when it's only their women and children under attack.

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And neither do we we demonise their young children who have been 'radicalised' by witnessing their behviour. We seem to regard the children of those we do call terrorists are a different species from other kids.

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no they are not a different species, but they have different beliefs of right and wrong and good and evil - most children of homes where there is violence are not exposed to the same level of depravity as these kids have been.

I am not completely heartless, I feel for these children, I am aware they are not to blame for what their parents have taught them, but at the same time I feel it would be foolish to let them back in to this country.

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

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@bluecat*dancing wrote:

Sydney community leaders said that if the children return they will have to re-habilitated. "They are so young they are like puppets, they don't know anything, they have been fed all of this information by their parents and they believe it," said Mohamad al-Hamwi, from the Australian Syrian Association. "Of course the community must help them to change their beliefs, we will have seminars to help them rehabilitate, and to show other parents and children what the cost is of going into overseas conflicts."

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what cost is there though?

when they find it too tough they

can come back and receive support?

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I don't think that comment from community leaders is talking about monetary cost.

Wouldn't you say those children have paid a high price for their parents decision?

[the_great_she_elephant]

Getting back to my OP, the question I asked was, does the end justify the means -  if this woman and her children do not have dual citizenship, does the Government actually have the legal right to strip them of their Australian citizenship? If it doesn't then should the law be waived and a precednt be set allowing it to do so? And what might be the possible dangers in setting this precedent?

[Anonymous]

I don't think that comment from community leaders is talking about monetary cost.

i dont think so either and neither

was i

by cost i think they mean consequences

[cmcoins2000]

So far - yes - they have paid an enormous price - due to the parents - and - the grandmother - now crying foul.

But when are we - as adults - going to take into consideration - the outcomes of our decisions - & - the effect of those decisions on others - as well as ourselves.

Bit like gong too close to the edge of a cliff - & falling - blaming the council for no fence.

Diving head first into a pool - at the shallow end - again the need to blame somone else.

What ever happened to a sense of responsibility for our own actions.

And as far as the sins of the fathers - my father spent 4 horrible - never to be retrieved - at the total cost of his health - years of his life as a POW.

WWII - but I married a german who was 11 months old when the war ended.

[Anonymous]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Getting back to my OP, the question I asked was, does the end justify the means -  if this woman and her children do not have dual citizenship, does the Government actually have the legal right to strip them of their Australian citizenship? If it doesn't then should the law be waived and a precednt be set allowing it to do so? And what might be the possible dangers in setting this precedent?

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valid question (obviously)

at this point i think it is necessary in order

to stop australians from going overseas and

fight against australia.  

and in case they would have no intention of

ever coming back - maybe it would stop taking

their children with them.

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

I don't think that comment from community leaders is talking about monetary cost.

i dont think so either and neither

was i

by cost i think they mean consequences

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Then did you mean it when you suggested there was no "cost" to going (or being taken) overseas to join a terrorist army? Khaled Sharrouf is dead, I'd say that was a pretty drastic consequence.