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the most recent production i saw changed my impression of gillian anderson (?) it was one of the better adaptations of dickens i remember. 
LL: "the partisan hue of your outrage is showing again, like you i have no real idea as to his guilt or innocence. just the finding of owen."
My outrage is at your unwarranted and unsubstantiated defamation of Turnbull when you posted: "i knew he was a crooked ex-banker, i read the HIH inquiry report. did you ?"
You then have the temerity to write "like you i have no real idea as to his guilt or innocence. just the finding of owen."
Allow me to correct you: I do believe in his "innocence" (it was a civil tort action for damages), and if you have no idea as to his "guilt" (it was a claim for damages only) why libel him on this board, and then state that you have no real idea "just the finding of owen" which in fact were
"Commissioner Neville Owen cleared him of having of any part in the collapse"
There is nothing partisan in condemning what I consider is prima facie, defamation. I would do the same with NW or any other member here, and have done so with statements posted that are without foundation.
Mark Westfield*, ninemsn Money May 23, 2008 wote:
"The royal commission report into the HIH collapse had found no wrong-doing on his part"
"No doubt his Labor opponents will make the most of his difficult position in the coming months, but the facts do not support the claims made against him."
Westfield was being somewhat prophetic in 2008!
@monman12 wrote:LL: "the partisan hue of your outrage is showing again, like you i have no real idea as to his guilt or innocence. just the finding of owen."
My outrage is at your unwarranted and unsubstantiated defamation of Turnbull when you posted: "i knew he was a crooked ex-banker, i read the HIH inquiry report. did you ?"
You then have the temerity to write "like you i have no real idea as to his guilt or innocence. just the finding of owen."
Allow me to correct you: I do believe in his "innocence" (it was a civil tort action for damages), and if you have no idea as to his "guilt" (it was a claim for damages only) why libel him on this board, and then state that you have no real idea "just the finding of owen" which in fact were
"Commissioner Neville Owen cleared him of having of any part in the collapse"
There is nothing partisan in condemning what I consider is prima facie, defamation. I would do the same with NW or any other member here, and have done so with statements posted that are without foundation.
Mark Westfield*, ninemsn Money May 23, 2008 wote:
"The royal commission report into the HIH collapse had found no wrong-doing on his part"
"No doubt his Labor opponents will make the most of his difficult position in the coming months, but the facts do not support the claims made against him."
Westfield was being somewhat prophetic in 2008!
hilarious outrage. i guess i'll be hearing from turnbulls lawyers then 
' Pm Gillard embroiled in AWU affair' silence from you on that one . why was that ? silence on the current PM's unprecedented rorting of the public purse too .. no comment from you ? hockeys undeclared interests not appearing on the pecuniary register 'oh i forgot' says shrek. come back and berate me when you have a leg to stand on.
Agriculture Minister Barnaby Joyce has defended claiming travel expenses for attending rugby league clashes, including the State of Origin and grand final in Sydney last year.
Mr Joyce billed taxpayers more than $4,000 for what he declared as "official business" to attend the league clashes.
A spokeswoman for Mr Joyce says he was invited to the events as an official guest and because he was a shadow minister at the time.
Mr Joyce has already defended his use of taxpayer funds to attend the wedding of radio presenter Michael Smith in 2011.
He also defended his use of entitlements to travel to the wedding of the granddaughter of mining magnate Gina Rinehart's business partner in India in 2011. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-06/barnaby-joyce-defends-claiming-travel-expenses-for-attending-s...
both of you are delusional.
LL: "Pm Gillard embroiled in AWU affair' silence from you on that one . why was that ? silence on the current PM's unprecedented rorting of the public purse too .. no comment from you ? hockeys undeclared interests not appearing on the pecuniary register 'oh i forgot' says shrek. come back and berate me when you have a leg to stand on."
A range of irrelevant topics introduced as a smokescreen LL does not address the fact there is a vast difference in posting a "noisy" defamatory statement and myself being "silent" about anything you regard as political capital.
LL, you have posted: ".....i have no real idea as to his guilt or innocence. just the finding of owen." I would consider that Justice Neville Owen, a judge in the Supreme Court of Western Australia and the former Commissioner of the Royal Commission into HIH would have had an idea!
"The royal commissioner, Neville Owen, agreed.Cleared both Turnbull and Goldman Sachs of any wrongdoing in his 2003 findings and said that the closing submissions of counsel assisting regarding the matter were based on a "misconception".
I will be generous and say the same of you LL, but in doing so suggest you research tort law/defamation.
"Turnbull, always quick to take offence, launched a defamation action against Labor leader Mark Latham for suggesting that Turnbull's role in the HIH saga made him unfit to hold office. Latham later publicly apologised and the matter was settled after Latham paid Turnbull's legal costs in the matter."
In some situations "silence" is golden!
