Labor should revolt, where are they? where's the outrage for this?

[silverfaun]

Where are they? all the Labor supporters on here? I haven't heard a peep, not a whimper about the sweeping changes Rudd wants to make to the democracy of the parliament.

Is it the same as the cowardly cringing that went on, the sickening acquiescence to the crushing discrimination laws Roxon wanted or the attack on the freedom of the press & curtailing of our freedom of speech Conroy wanted that all the luvvies supported.

To their shame they supported them & then not a word when the hammer finally dropped on these 2 bills & Labor abandoned them.

Where are the screams & howls of protest at what Rudd wants to do, where are the true believers who believe in the power of their collective strength & the rights of the rank & file? to ensconce himself into the leadership that the party may never be able to move him from unless they cross the floor en masse & bring him & any future leaders down on the floor of the Parliament their only option?.

Is this the price Labor are willing to pay to win just 1 election, is this the high price to our democratic parliamentary values they are willing to abrogate just to cling onto one more term?

Are all Labor supporters on here going to sit quiet & say nothing about this. Where's the outrage about this abomination or is just whinging about perceived sexism all they're good for these days or pathetic nit picking.

"Excerpt from main article:

Added to this short-term, deeply political decision-making is the undeniable enjoyment Rudd would get in watching colleagues vote for a change of party rules that effectively amounted to a repudiation of their collective action in ousting him back in 2010. One final kick in the teeth for Gillard and the so-called faceless men, as it were.

This reform also puts the Labor Party at the potential mercy of an individual leader (ironic for the party of the collective workers), and it even increases the likelihood of a party split at some time in the future. For example, if one major faction within the Labor Party continued to support a PM it would be highly unlikely that the remainder of the party would be able to collectively achieve the 75 per cent quota required to oust the leader.

This is just one of a raft of unintended consequences Labor is exposing itself to

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Theoretically the reform Rudd wants his caucus to endorse means voters could keep on re-electing a leader of the Labor Party who enjoyed the support of only one-quarter of its parliamentary team, even though that same leader pursued policies totally at odds with the brand of the party they led."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/sweeping-powers-create-dictatorship/story-e6frg6zo-122667855...

[just_me_karen]

So smithie, are you daydream**believer? I reckon people who use second IDs to troll (on my thread, check recent posts) are loosers [sic]. And weak.

Or is that the norm for your ilk, and if so, should everyone do it?

[not_an_eloi]

and some split words, like gut full 

[i-need-a-martini]

Well that is intelligent - vote in a government with absolutely no policies just because you have had a gut full of the present.

OK. *eye roll*

And perhaps Rudd "only got in" because he has always been the preferred Prime Minister? Don't think anyone would ever have any sympathy for Rudd - it doesn't suit him lol.

[freakiness]

Looks like they were wrong anyway.

Labor will hold local ballots for preselection in five seats vacated by former prime minister Julia Gillard and several of her senior ministers.

The national executive decided on Saturday the rank and file process would apply for preselecting candidates for Ms Gillard's Melbourne seat of Lalor, as well as Rankin (Queensland), Kingsford-Smith and Charlton (NSW) and Hotham (Victoria).

Under special arrangements, all the preselections will be finished by Saturday, July 27.

The national executive also ruled to remove any obstacles for eligibility for Joanne Ryan, Lisa Clutterham and Julie Ann Evans to contest the preselection in Lalor.

 http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-national/local-ballots-for-labor-preselection-2013071...

[freddie*rooster]

(2) words

Oh dear

[debra9275]

Freaky, I am in Chisholm. A swinging seat , but it's been held by Anna Burke for along time now, before her it was Michael Wooldridge. (Lib)I have no idea who the next lib candidate here is, I expect that Anna will hold her seat, she is well quite well regarded by the community here

[silverfaun]

Thank you MM for your well researched replies.

I am not in the habit of re typing reams of failed legislation like the Roxon & Conroy bills, as the Labor supporters on here know full well, what that was all about.

They cry that I won't supply "proof" of what I post but frankly I just can't be bothered going over it all over again when it's common knowledge to anyone who has an interest in politics.

I fought hard against The Conroy bill, me & thousands of others, I'm not afraid to air my convictions, it's just a pity we don't have any Labor conviction politicians anymore.

[poddster]

The new Krudd emerges from the 3 years spent in the cocoon. 3 years of plotting and planing his political survival.

Once the plot has been cemented with B/S in the name of a more democratic process there will be nothing to stand in the way of Kevvie to do whatever his megalomaniacal  ego desires.

This current move is not as democratic as some would have you believe Krudd is still extracting revenge and super gluing himself in position so that he can not be dislodged.

Once again it is all about Krudd, at any cost.

[just_me_karen]

Whatever, poddy. He's going to win, that's the main thing.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@silverfaun wrote:
Thank you MM for your well researched replies.

I am not in the habit of re typing reams of failed legislation like the Roxon & Conroy bills, as the Labor supporters on here know full well, what that was all about.

They cry that I won't supply "proof" of what I post but frankly I just can't be bothered going over it all over again when it's common knowledge to anyone who has an interest in politics.

I fought hard against The Conroy bill, me & thousands of others, I'm not afraid to air my convictions, it's just a pity we don't have any Labor conviction politicians anymore.

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Lol.

Noone has asked you about the Roxon Bill cause no-one is interested in debating a piece of old legistation that never went through. YOU have brought that up.

But they are asking your thoughts on the subject of your OP. Not "proof". Simply why you think the reforms aren't appropriate. And how you can think the old system was best after whining for so long about it. That is what we are interested in.

Care to respond to those questions? Or are we to assume you actually don't know?