Lets talk about housing and homelessness.

There were 105,237 homeless in 2011 in Australia.

I believe the number has risen enormously since then. This is a disgrace to our country, and the politicians don't want to know about it.

 

With house sales and rentals at staggering unafordable prices the problem of homeless people will continue to grow..

 

Something will have to be done to change this. Federal and State Governments give permits for billionaire investments, but don't care that the average working person will never be able to own their own home. Low rental housing for low income families are being pulled down to make room for high rise, multymillion apartmrnts to be built.

 

I fear and feel for the younger generation, for the future of our grandchildren and their children. How can a young couple on average wages save AU$200,000.- for a deposit towards a housing loan when their rent is AU$450.- per week or more? Not everyone has well off parents to help or parents with whom they can live while saving.

 

What is the answer?

Erica

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I,m not sure what the answer with public housing is, it is a very difficult area with no easy answers.  I,m not entirely convinced putting it in the middle of working family orientated suburbs is really working.


 


If these people did not live in public housing they would still live somewhere.  And not all junkies and dealers and mentally ill people do get public housing. 

 

Why should doctors and other professional people living in the city, having family & friends in the city, having spouses with jobs in the city, having access to what ever interests/lifestyle they have in the city, just get up uproot their family, and go to live in small town?  Yes, they can buy cheaper house, but if they want to sell it they will also not get much for it.

I saw this discussed few weeks ago when small outback town people complained that they have to drive couple of hours to large centre for chemo and radiation therapy; well, sorry but I doubt there is enough work for oncologists, and other specialists, not to mention expensive equipment.  

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Because of the shortage of afordable rental homes, even small country towns don't have many houses for sale. The ones that are still on a quarter acre or more get snapped up by private Builders. They build six to eight small units on the block after demolishing the original house that was in very good condition. Greed for profit is all that counts today.

 

In Sydney a two bedrom studio appartment can set you back AU$ two million to buy or $750.- rent per week. How much is this going to cost in another 15 - 20 years?

 

What will happen in the future? Where are my great-grandchildren going to live?

I won't be here anymore to see it, but I shudder to imagine tent cities.

 

Erica

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In the 1970s-lived in Frankston--married- 2 young girls-low income.

 

Was on the waiting list for Frankston (had to live in the area).

 

The waiting list was about 7 years--found out the waiting time at Mornington was about 2 1/2 years.

 

Moved and rented in Mornington to qualify.

 

Months later a young couple-straight off the boat from England rented opposite.

 

Had a chat and they told me they would have a house in 6 weeks--and they did..

 

Where is the justice in that-wasnt a happy camper........................................Richo.

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

@chameleon54 wrote:


 

I,m not sure what the answer with public housing is, it is a very difficult area with no easy answers.  I,m not entirely convinced putting it in the middle of working family orientated suburbs is really working.


 


If these people did not live in public housing they would still live somewhere.  And not all junkies and dealers and mentally ill people do get public housing. 

 

Why should doctors and other professional people living in the city, having family & friends in the city, having spouses with jobs in the city, having access to what ever interests/lifestyle they have in the city, just get up uproot their family, and go to live in small town? 

 

Yes, they can buy cheaper house, but if they want to sell it they will also not get much for it.  NOVA -  Heres a novel idea, as Mr. Kerighan said in that classic movie the Castle,, " They could live in it "

 

I saw this discussed few weeks ago when small outback town people complained that they have to drive couple of hours to large centre for chemo and radiation therapy; well, sorry but I doubt there is enough work for oncologists, and other specialists, not to mention expensive equipment.  


NOVA, PLEASE READ MY THREAD - No one is forcing anyone to do anything.

 

The topic of this thread is how can people in the future find affordable housing. My suggestion is to de-centralise our population.!!!

 

  My post was not only referencing tiny rural communities as you have tried to infer, but also major regional centres. I live in a growing regional community of 30,000 - 40,000 people. Beautiful coastal community a bit over one hours drive from a state capital city. Plenty of employment options for tradies and people with health and education skills. 

 

As mentioned houses are still available here for under $200,000 and plenty of 600 mtr.2 blocks of land under $100,000.   My own house is set on over 1000 mtrs2 of land and has 50 metres frontage to a river reserve with the river only 50 metres away and only one adjoining neighbour. We have a neat 3 bedroom, two bathroom house, large shed, nice gardens and $100,000 in renovations over the last 5 years. It would sell for around $300,000. We paid $195,000 seven years ago.

 

If Australians continue to want to cram into large cities with millions of other people and refuse to even consider other options then they need to accept that one of the costs of that decision is they may never be able to afford a home and are destined to pay ridiculous rent for the rest of their lives. ( exactly the same as most other large, modern cities around the world ). If the career opportunities and social connections make that worthwhile, that is a decision they have taken, knowing the cost is lack of home ownership.

 

To Stay right on topic of this thread, how can future generations afford home ownership, THE ONLY SOLUTION I CAN SEE IS MODERNISE SOCIAL AND WORK SYSTEMS USING THE INTERNET AND TECHNOLOGY AND TO DE-CENTRALISE POPULATIONS. We have huge areas of beautiful countryside. People just need to be prepared to live in it.

 

Plenty of refugees are leaving their families, qualifications and career's and all of their possession's to hop on leaky boats to sail here and sit in a virtual concentration camp for several years just for the privilege of gaining residency anywhere in Australia. 

 

- I think a bit of perspective and an open mind might be helpful in these discussions. 

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That may happen in your area Lind but not where I live, here in SW Vic there are still plenty of sm country towns with affordable houses for sale, no developers here either.  

 

If people want affordable housing, they need to stop hugging the large cities

 

 

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No-one has mentioned the effect government policies of negative gearing and self managed super funds buying houses is having on the current market. It would seem these policies are causing major distortions in Sydney & Melbourne.

 

The really sad fact is these two policies are classic examples of wealth redistribution and accumulation in favour of politically influential older, already wealthy people at the expense of politically powerless young people. 

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@chameleon54 wrote:

No-one has mentioned the effect government policies of negative gearing and self managed super funds buying houses is having on the current market. It would seem these policies are causing major distortions in Sydney & Melbourne.

 

The really sad fact is these two policies are classic examples of wealth redistribution and accumulation in favour of politically influential older, already wealthy people at the expense of politically powerless young people. 


Add the Chinese buyers/investors and you have a big jump in housing prices that means that many Aussies

 

have no chance of buying a property:

 

http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/chinese-buyers-double-down-on-australian-property-2016041...

 

 

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Sorry chameleon, but I'm having trouble with your figures.  I also live in a small coastal town (much fewer people than what you quoted). We are 5 hours drive from the state capital and 3 hours from the national capital.  It's not particularly on the "tourist trail" either.  

I just checked domain and there is one house in my town for sale under 200K and that is $199,000.

The unemployment rate in our shire, according to the ABS, is 6.91% and appears to be rising. Not such an attractive option for young families looking for a start.

(We love it here though Heart)

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I fear and feel for the younger generation, for the future of our grandchildren and their children. How can a young couple on average wages save AU$200,000.- for a deposit towards a housing loan when their rent is AU$450.- per week or more?

 

What's with $200,000 as a deposit?    You don't need to save that much for

a deposit on a house.

 

And in fact you can buy a house with no deposit.

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We did that stawks.  Back in 1981, we told all sorts of fibs to convince the bank we were a good risk.  Borrowed from peter to borrow from paul as it were Woman Very Happy

Not that I'm advocating that these days 

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