Living with the Enemy on SBS

[ufo_investigations]

I just watched LIVING WITH THE ENEMY on SBS.  The story about Ben the Aussie going to live with Lidia and Ahmed the muslims. Lidia is an Aussie and was raised Catholic and converted to Islam. Ahmed was born in Saudi Arabia.

What did I learn?

- Muslim women wont shake hands with a male person their not related to. (Very rude).

- When husband and wife muslims pray in their own house, the wife has to pray behind her husband. (Women are not treated as equals even in their own house).

- Christians are not allowed to visit Mecca in Saudi Arabia. Why? Because you have to be muslim to be allowed.

- Mosques can be built all over Australia but we can't build a Church in Saudi Arabia.

- The Quran tells muslims to kill people.

- In the mosque women are behind the curtain at the back. It's their own area. Why? Because the men have to be in a different section. Why? To give women privacy. This is the reason they cited. The real reason I believe is not to cause desire in the men.

- When they went shopping they visited a halal butcher to buy lamb shoulder. Ben wasn't consulted. What if he wanted pork chops?

- They went to Bondi to do an "Aussie thing called surfing". Lidia went swimming in her full Islamic clothing then when she came out of the water she placed a towel around her depicting the Australian flag.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@ufo_investigations wrote:

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Roman Catholics for example have to follow 'The First Commandment of God' and as such will not buy or eat anything halal. Catholics are not allowed to follow other Gods.

ARTICLE 1
THE FIRST COMMANDMENT (this is not the full text).

I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them.

It is written: "You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve."

I. "YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD AND HIM ONLY SHALL YOU SERVE"

As for your question about what was Lidia supposed to do? I don't know. Maybe she should have bent the rules to accomodate Ben. They could have purchased lamb from a neutral butchers and pronounced "misbillah" over it or buy halal food for themselves and then purchased meat for Ben at coles. They knew Ben was coming over so why didn't they have halal meat in the fridge for themselves and then went to buy meat for Ben at coles or other neutral shop.

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Why on earth would Catholics not be allowed to eat halal?? 

And what have Catholics not being allowed to follow other gods to do with anything? And whilst I ponder the significance of coming up with a reason for bringing catholicism into the discussion, I think you should know that you will find that every religion has the same rule. 

And as I am sure you know, Lydia would not have been able to handle meat that is not halal. And I really cannot understand why he couldn't eat meat that was halal. In fact the whole meal would have been halal. His drink would have been halal. Or did you expect her to serve him a beer as well? Actually if her entire house was halal free than she would have had to do one hell of a shop just for one racist ignoramous. I suspect even the soap and shampoo in that house would have been halal...

[iapetus_rocks]

But surely in Australia if a woman politely explains why she is unable to shake hands (whether that woman is Muslim, Indian or Thai), then you, as an Australian, would respect her cultural difference?

Well yes I would, though I would feel a bit depressed about the fact that this hypothetical person came to this country and couldn't bring herself to respect my cultural mores.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

I offered my hand to a Muslim woman, after I had shaken hands with her husband and her son, and she took my hand. I admit I did it as a display. I refused to accept the implied negation of the female presence in our meeting. I don't know how the people involved thought about it because I didn't ask.

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That is unbelievably obnoxious behaviour. Not to mention that it is mirror of what you are accusing Muslim women of.

The irony I am sure will be lost however...

[ufo_investigations]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@ufo_investigations wrote:

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Roman Catholics for example have to follow 'The First Commandment of God' and as such will not buy or eat anything halal. Catholics are not allowed to follow other Gods.

ARTICLE 1
THE FIRST COMMANDMENT (this is not the full text).

I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them.

It is written: "You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve."

I. "YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD AND HIM ONLY SHALL YOU SERVE"

As for your question about what was Lidia supposed to do? I don't know. Maybe she should have bent the rules to accomodate Ben. They could have purchased lamb from a neutral butchers and pronounced "misbillah" over it or buy halal food for themselves and then purchased meat for Ben at coles. They knew Ben was coming over so why didn't they have halal meat in the fridge for themselves and then went to buy meat for Ben at coles or other neutral shop.

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Why on earth would Catholics not be allowed to eat halal?? 

And what have Catholics not being allowed to follow other gods to do with anything? And whilst I ponder the significance of coming up with a reason for bringing catholicism into the discussion, I think you should know that you will find that every religion has the same rule. 

And as I am sure you know, Lydia would not have been able to handle meat that is not halal. And I really cannot understand why he couldn't eat meat that was halal. In fact the whole meal would have been halal. His drink would have been halal. Or did you expect her to serve him a beer as well? Actually if her entire house was halal free than she would have had to do one hell of a shop just for one racist ignoramous. I suspect even the soap and shampoo in that house would have been halal...

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I am Catholic and we are not permitted to eat halal. It is against our religion. We can't honor false gods as decreed in the First Commandment. I don't know what religion Ben is but maybe he is Catholic too.

[iapetus_rocks]

No it isn't. i observed that the men offered me my hand and I shook their hands. I then offered an equal courtesy to the woman. As is my custom.

And she shook my hand. If that action on my part gave them pause for thought, then I am glad of it. Are you criticising me for being true to my own cultural mores?

[i-need-a-martini]

Australians do not traditionally shake hands unless it is man to man. Women rarely shake hands with each other unless it is in a business situation. And men rarely offer their hands to women EVEN in business situations. I would say 9 times out of 10, I have to offer my hand first. And as I said, that ofetn confuses the pants off them!

Here is the Uni of Qld take on it: http://www.uq.edu.au/study/?page=18058

[iapetus_rocks]

I understand the supposed irony which you see, but what I see is that a culture which does not respect 50% of the human race as being equal to the other 50% has some serious lessons to learn.

[i-need-a-martini]

Catholicism says no such thing about halal food. That is absurd.

The Bible does say very specifically however: “If one of the unbelievers invites you to dinner and you are disposed to go, eat whatever is set before you without raising any question on the ground of conscience” (1 Cor 10:27). 

[iapetus_rocks]

And . . . I am not accusing Muslim women of anything . . . it is the Muslim men to whom I direct my accusations.

(edit . . . It is Islam to which I direct my most harsh criticism)

(welcome back, by the way 🙂 )

[ufo_investigations]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

Catholicism says no such thing about halal food. That is absurd.

The Bible does say very specifically however: “If one of the unbelievers invites you to dinner and you are disposed to go, eat whatever is set before you without raising any question on the ground of conscience” (1 Cor 10:27). 

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Are you doubting my religion? The First Commandment is clear about this.