Mandatory Vaccination: Would you support it?

[the_bob_delusion]

https://www.theage.com.au/world/south-america/brazilian-supreme-court-rules-against-covid-anti-vaxxe...

Does the collective health for all trump the right of individuals?

Discuss

[icyfroth]

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@the_bob_delusion wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:
No but they have ways. Like denying you employment if you refuse.

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Would you rather go to a doctor who choose not to be vaccinated or go to one who is? 

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Huh? I don't use that criteria to choose my doctor.

[springyzone]

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@lyndal1838 wrote:

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@not_for_sale2025 wrote:

And what if some of those who refuse are doctors, nurses, pharmacists, police, childcare workers, checkout staff, postal staff etc?

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I think you would find they would no longer have a job.

If employment is dependent on the worker being vaccinated there can be no exceptions.

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I think you are probably right there, but it is amazing the exceptions that are made.

This isn't a case of employment, but my sister in law's husband is in a nursing home. We are in Melbourne and during the early part of lockdown, one of the regulations & quite strict it was, was that a visitor had to show proof of having had the flu vaccine. Only immediate family could visit.

So my sister in law had to get a doctor's certificate to verify she had had the vaccine and send it into the nirsing home to be registered before she could book a visit.

She was surprised when another woman visiting, one she knew, told her she was not having the vaccine, they couldn't make her, and she was still visiting.

Seems if you make a big enough fuss, you can get your own way, despite regulations.

[eol-products]

Staff are meant to get a flu shot but some who have had reactions in the past are able to avoid getting one.

[springyzone]

On a totally different tangent.

I have been interested in reading about the growing Northern beaches cluster (the whole of Sydney should have been in lockdown 48 hours ago IMO and all other state borders shut-and if the wave is 'over' by Wednesday in time to loosen up for Christmas I will be very surprised. If it grows a lot today and tomorrow, look at more like 6-10 weeks)

But anyway, we in Melbourne were always told about how NSW had superior contact tracing, state of the art, and our problem in Melbourne was we weren't doing it as well.

So lo and behold, what do i read online today but a comment from an epidemiologist there-

She said the concern was that a "second generation of cases" — people who have caught the virus from other infected people — would materialise and go on to spread it beyond a threshold where authorities could perform effective contact tracing.

"We are at a tipping point and this is quite serious," Professor McLaws said.

Ms Berejiklian said the situation could get worse before it got better and predicted today's COVID-19 numbers would be similar if not higher than yesterday's additional 23 cases.

Later, the NSW Health website temporarily crashed as people logged on in droves to search testing clinics.

Queues for testing have stretched to up to 8 hour waits.

So let's get this straight. At the time the statement was made yesterday, Sydney had 42 cases. And they are already at tipping point and if it goes much beyond this, they won't be able to do effective contact tracing.

So, tell us about this superior contact tracing system?

The reason they will lose a grip with the contact tracing if they are suddenly getting eg 100 new cases a day instead of 4 or 5, is the same reason as Melbourne had trouble. Only so many staff working on it and the difficulty of changing that overnight.They should be ready to though, they have had long enough to prepare for emergency situations. We'll see.

[lyndal1838]

Springy, I am in Sydney and I feel we need to put the whole of Sydney into lockdown for at least several weeks, not the 4 days that has been imposed on the Northern Beaches.

We started off well.....I am in hospital in Southern Sydney, so well away from the current clusters but at 4pm on Friday ALL hospital staff donned masks....from the top doctors to the cleaners, no exceptions.  However, here we are at Sunday morning and it is about 50/50.

The emphasis seems to be on relaxing the restrictions before Christmas which I think is a terrible mistake.

[myoclon1cjerk]

Wasn't there a confirmed case in Cronulla, which is in the southern beaches area (for those not familiar with Sydney) ?

[lyndal1838]

That is correct....it was traced back to the Northern Beaches cluster.

[lalbo-81]

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@the_bob_delusion wrote:

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@lalbo-81 wrote:
Just a curiosity question, do children have to have certain vaccinations to attend school there? And if so, what, if any , are the exemptions?

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Make up a religion and say your special God doesn't allow you to. THere's your exemption. 

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There too? I'm thankful that that exemption is slowly being phased out outside the Bible belt. I can understand medical exemptions in some cases, but those kids should be home schooled if their immune system can't handle vaccines. The measles outbreaks across the country in recent years are directly related to American kids, not "illegals" as claimed by the right too often.

[lalbo-81]

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@davewil1964 wrote:

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@lalbo-81 wrote:
Just a curiosity question, do children have to have certain vaccinations to attend school there? And if so, what, if any , are the exemptions?

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I believe so.

Basically these -

• chickenpox (varicella)
• diphtheria
• influenza
• hepatitis B
• Hib
• measles
• meningococcal AWCY
• mumps
• pneumococcal
• polio
• rotavirus
• rubella
• tetanus
• whooping cough (pertussis).

There used to be exemptions for religious reasons. Enough said.

Basically these days if a child hasn't had the above vaccinations, they will lose access to child tax benefits - a form of middle-class welfare designed to encourage people to emulate rabbits.

In my day, every child contracted measles, mumps, chickenpox and probably rubella.

Even in the 60s polio was 100% administered in schools. Tetanus is a bit of a joke, as that is only required with a specific wound. I also have been vaccinated for smallpox, so when the caches are released I will be fine

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Thank you, dave! 

[lalbo-81]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@the_bob_delusion wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:
No but they have ways. Like denying you employment if you refuse.

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Would you rather go to a doctor who choose not to be vaccinated or go to one who is? 

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Huh? I don't use that criteria to choose my doctor.

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Wait. What? You don't verify that your doctor of choice is taking every precaution to protect you,the patient? That is a very peculiar way of thinking....