Manus Island: Morrison concedes he was wrong.

[i-need-a-martini]

So it looks like all of the initial reports that Fairfax were printing were correct:

The death and injuries occurred INSIDE the compound by staff using unlawful force.

Unbelievable. Can you imagine the terror those (unarmed) boys and men must have felt?

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/scott-morrison-admits--information-he-gave-on-...

[donnashuggy]

If the previous government was at fault for people drowning at sea, would it be fair to blame the current Government for death and injury on manus? Or is neither government at fault?

[icyfroth]

People have a very short memory. Remember this?

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd says asylum seekers who arrive by boat will have no chance of being settled in Australia as refugees.

Mr Rudd has confirmed a deal that will see asylum seekers sent to Papua New Guinea for assessment, and if they are found to be refugees, they will be resettled there.

PNG's prime minister Peter O'Neill joined Mr Rudd in formally unveiling the plan in Brisbane on Friday.

Mr Rudd says those found not to be refugees will be sent back to their own nations or a third country.

Mr Rudd says the new arrangement delivers a message loud and clear to people smugglers that "their business model is now basically undermined".

The package includes a significant expansion of the Manus Island detention centre to house 3,000 people up from the original capacity of 600.

Mr Rudd has been under growing pressure to deal with the dramatic increase in asylum seekers attempting to enter Australia by boat.

Key points:

• Asylum seekers who arrive by boat will never be settled in Australia
• They will be sent to Manus Island or elsewhere in PNG for assessment
• Genuine refugees will be resettled in PNG
• The agreement will be in place for at least the next 12 months
• There will be no cap on the number of refugees to be settled in PNG

From Here, July 2013

So why the diatribe against Mr Abbott? He's simply continuing on with a program implemented by the previous government. If Labor had've retained power, what would have been different d'you think?

They would have had to deal with the same pressure of Indonesia, and the people smugglers, and the aslylum seekers themselves pulling out all the stops and throwing out all sorts of accusations trying to force the Aus government to back down.

And if the Liberals have to cede government back to Labor in the next election, how will that government then deal with the problem? Because it's very important to the Australian voter that the government take a strong stance on the asylum seeker problem. It was on the strength of his promise to act on this that Mr Abbott was voted in, more that any other policy, after all.

[bluecat*dancing]

Labor is no longer in power so what happens on Manus Island now is the responsibility of the LNP. The LNP chooses to treat the public as imbeciles who will accept misinformation and secrecy as par for the course, however, the majority of the public [no matter who they vote for]  require, and  rightfully demand, a level of openess and transparency which thus far has not been forthcoming. Shameful.

[freakiness]

Who is arguing that Mr Rudd did the right thing?

His actions were as despicable as this mobs.  Don't forget that every alternative the previous govt proposed was blocked by the then opposition and greens.

[icyfroth]

So what do you think would be different if Mr Rudd leading the Labor government would have been voted in?

[catsnknots]

lies.. what lies... 

Spoiler

There will be no carbon tax under a govenment I lead.... 

The ALP is 100% perfect.. the LNP are 100% wrong on everything they do.... 

But don't worry... after they ALP/GREEN coalition get back in they will open up the boarders again and let the boats come in becuase that was the kindest thing to do. 

[lakeland27]

carbon tax now we know the panic has set in.

[freakiness]

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@icyfroth wrote:

So what do you think would be different if Mr Rudd leading the Labor government would have been voted in?

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That didn't happen though.  

If you're interested in what I would have preferred, it would be that Rudd accepted being dumped and supported Gillard and the collaborative government and for the collaborative government to continue.  For all Labor's faults during the previous term they were not playing to the 3 year election cycle and were implementing long term policies for the benefit of all.  There was a greater diversity and policies were debated and considered more closely because there was an independence from the two and a half party structure.  That is an adult government, for whoever feels the need to compare government with human development.  It's ironic that he who has always demonstrated the most childish antics in parliament should be the he that wants to claim adulthood in government.  That would have to make him a teenaged PM. 

[the_great_she_elephant]

All we know at this time is the detainees rioted

How do we know this - because Mr Morrison has told us so?

They may have rioted, indeed it is even quite likely that they did, but since this statement has come from a Government Minister who has had to admit that much of what he  told us about the incident was untrue, what basis do we have for trusting that it is not another falsehood?

 If Mr Morrison did not have clear information on what had happened he should have said so rather than make  'pre-emptive' statemenst.

If he was given accurate information, but chose to gnore it, then he lied.

If he  was given false information, then where does the buck stop? Should a minister not be held responsible for the behaviour of a department over which he has charge?

[boris1gary]

Whats the time scale for when the current government takes the responsibility for what is and has happened under their watch. Are we going to have an entire term of - not our fault, wasn't us, Rudds fault, Gillards fault, someone else did it.........just how long is this going to go on for.