on 21-04-2014 11:16 AM
on 26-04-2014 06:55 AM
@icyfroth wrote:
@siggie-reported-by-alarmists wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@siggie-reported-by-alarmists wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@siggie-reported-by-alarmists wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@siggie-reported-by-alarmists wrote:As humans are Omnivores.......we actually have more in common with carnivores than herbivores...........
Early humans were eating meat over a million years ago and possibly as far back as 2.6 million years go.
Yeah but they died out.If they died out.........we wouldn't 't be here.......... sigh.........
The term "hominid" is also used in the more restricted sense as hominins or "humans and relatives of humans closer than chimpanzees".[2]
In this usage, all hominid species other than Homo sapiens are extinct.
A number of known extinct genera are grouped with humans in the Homininae subfamily, others with orangutans in the Ponginae subfamily.
The primatological term hominid is easily confused with a number of very similar words:
- A hominoid, commonly called an ape, is a member of the superfamily Hominoidea: extant members are the lesser apes (gibbons) and great apes.
- A hominine is a member of the subfamily Homininae: gorillas, chimpanzees, bonobos and humans (excludes orangutans).
- A hominin is a member of the tribe Hominini: modern humans and their extinct relatives.
- A human is a member of the genus Homo, of which Homo sapiens is the only extant species, and within that Homo sapiens sapiens is the only surviving subspecies.
Homo sapiens (Latin: "wise man") is the scientific name for the human species. Homo is the human genus, which also includes Neanderthals and many other extinct species of hominid;
H. sapiens is the only surviving species of the genus Homo.
Modern humans are the subspecies Homo sapiens sapiens, which differentiates them from what has been argued to be their direct ancestor, Homo sapiens idaltu.
Anatomically modern humans first appear in the fossil record in Africa about 195,000 years ago, and studies of molecular biology give evidence that the approximate time of divergence from the common ancestor of all modern human populations was 200,000 years ago.
Ok but the question is, did humans eat meat back then?
Yes of course they did. You eat pretty much anything to survive. Bugs, snails, whatever you can catch or kill. Ask Bear Grylls. There would have been long periods in earth's history where it would have been difficult to grow food or harvest it from nature.
The point is, humans are not naturally meat eaters and can survive, even thrive on a vegetarian diet.
Humans can also manage the ingestion and digestion of meat quite well but cannot live exclusively on meat without serious health issues such as bowel and heart disease.
By all means enjoy a good hearty steak or roast (I do) but don't kid youself that a diet high in animal products is good for you.
A good barbeque is appropriate for today's ANZAC day holiday, I think, pity it's raining.
Human evolution
This article is about the divergence of Homo saapiens from other species.
For a complete timeline of human evolution, see Timeline of human evolution. For other uses, see Human evolution (disambiguation)."Evolution of Man" redirects here. For the album by Example, see The Evolution of Man.Human evolution is the evolutionary process leading up to the appearance of modern humans. While it began with the last common ancestor of all life, the topic usually covers only the evolutionary history of primates, in particular the genus Homo, and the emergence of Homo sapiens as a distinct species of hominids (or "great apes").
The study of human evolution involves many scientific disciplines, including physical anthropology, primatology, archaeology, ethology, linguistics, evolutionary psychology, embryology and genetics.[1]Genetic studies show that primates diverged from other mammals about 85 million years ago in the Late Cretaceous period, and the earliest fossils appear in the Paleocene, around55 million years ago.[2] The family Hominidae diverged from the Hylobatidae (Gibbon) family 15-20 million years ago, and around 14 million years ago, the Ponginae (orangutans), diverged from the Hominidae family.[3] Bipedalism is the basic adaption of the Hominin line, and the earliest bipedal Hominin is considered to be either Sahelanthropus or Orrorin, with Ardipithecus, a full bipedal, coming somewhat later. The gorilla and chimpanzee diverged around the same time, about 4-6 million years ago, and either Sahelanthropus or Orrorin may be our last shared ancestor with them. The early bipedals eventually evolved into the australopithecines and later the genus Homo.
Consider what evolution means Icy.....lol.
no argument from me on this point siggie...lol
after millennia, humans have still not evolved to carnivores, though.
That's because humans are omnivores.......both carnivores and omnivores eat meat....... herbivores do not......
in reply to poddsteron 22-04-201406:14 AM
Because, as a human, I have a carnivores mouth and digestive tract.... not a herbivores.
There are major differences between the two.......humans are designed to eat meat.....so I do....
____________________________
siggie-reported-by-alarmists..............
Are you saying you're not entirely human?
By all means eat all the meat you like. It's your colon.
As I said........ humans are designed to eat meat......... so I do..........
If you feel you have more in common with a ruminant......... I would understand that......lol.
on 26-04-2014 08:46 AM
@siggie-reported-by-alarmists wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@siggie-reported-by-alarmists wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@siggie-reported-by-alarmists wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@siggie-reported-by-alarmists wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@siggie-reported-by-alarmists wrote:As humans are Omnivores.......we actually have more in common with carnivores than herbivores...........
Early humans were eating meat over a million years ago and possibly as far back as 2.6 million years go.
Yeah but they died out.If they died out.........we wouldn't 't be here.......... sigh.........
The term "hominid" is also used in the more restricted sense as hominins or "humans and relatives of humans closer than chimpanzees".[2]
In this usage, all hominid species other than Homo sapiens are extinct.
A number of known extinct genera are grouped with humans in the Homininae subfamily, others with orangutans in the Ponginae subfamily.
The primatological term hominid is easily confused with a number of very similar words:
- A hominoid, commonly called an ape, is a member of the superfamily Hominoidea: extant members are the lesser apes (gibbons) and great apes.
- A hominine is a member of the subfamily Homininae: gorillas, chimpanzees, bonobos and humans (excludes orangutans).
- A hominin is a member of the tribe Hominini: modern humans and their extinct relatives.
- A human is a member of the genus Homo, of which Homo sapiens is the only extant species, and within that Homo sapiens sapiens is the only surviving subspecies.
Homo sapiens (Latin: "wise man") is the scientific name for the human species. Homo is the human genus, which also includes Neanderthals and many other extinct species of hominid;
H. sapiens is the only surviving species of the genus Homo.
Modern humans are the subspecies Homo sapiens sapiens, which differentiates them from what has been argued to be their direct ancestor, Homo sapiens idaltu.
Anatomically modern humans first appear in the fossil record in Africa about 195,000 years ago, and studies of molecular biology give evidence that the approximate time of divergence from the common ancestor of all modern human populations was 200,000 years ago.
Ok but the question is, did humans eat meat back then?
Yes of course they did. You eat pretty much anything to survive. Bugs, snails, whatever you can catch or kill. Ask Bear Grylls. There would have been long periods in earth's history where it would have been difficult to grow food or harvest it from nature.
The point is, humans are not naturally meat eaters and can survive, even thrive on a vegetarian diet.
Humans can also manage the ingestion and digestion of meat quite well but cannot live exclusively on meat without serious health issues such as bowel and heart disease.
By all means enjoy a good hearty steak or roast (I do) but don't kid youself that a diet high in animal products is good for you.
A good barbeque is appropriate for today's ANZAC day holiday, I think, pity it's raining.
Human evolution
This article is about the divergence of Homo saapiens from other species.
For a complete timeline of human evolution, see Timeline of human evolution. For other uses, see Human evolution (disambiguation)."Evolution of Man" redirects here. For the album by Example, see The Evolution of Man.Human evolution is the evolutionary process leading up to the appearance of modern humans. While it began with the last common ancestor of all life, the topic usually covers only the evolutionary history of primates, in particular the genus Homo, and the emergence of Homo sapiens as a distinct species of hominids (or "great apes").
The study of human evolution involves many scientific disciplines, including physical anthropology, primatology, archaeology, ethology, linguistics, evolutionary psychology, embryology and genetics.[1]Genetic studies show that primates diverged from other mammals about 85 million years ago in the Late Cretaceous period, and the earliest fossils appear in the Paleocene, around55 million years ago.[2] The family Hominidae diverged from the Hylobatidae (Gibbon) family 15-20 million years ago, and around 14 million years ago, the Ponginae (orangutans), diverged from the Hominidae family.[3] Bipedalism is the basic adaption of the Hominin line, and the earliest bipedal Hominin is considered to be either Sahelanthropus or Orrorin, with Ardipithecus, a full bipedal, coming somewhat later. The gorilla and chimpanzee diverged around the same time, about 4-6 million years ago, and either Sahelanthropus or Orrorin may be our last shared ancestor with them. The early bipedals eventually evolved into the australopithecines and later the genus Homo.
Consider what evolution means Icy.....lol.
no argument from me on this point siggie...lol
after millennia, humans have still not evolved to carnivores, though.
That's because humans are omnivores.......both carnivores and omnivores eat meat....... herbivores do not......
in reply to poddsteron 22-04-201406:14 AM
Because, as a human, I have a carnivores mouth and digestive tract.... not a herbivores.
There are major differences between the two.......humans are designed to eat meat.....so I do....
____________________________
siggie-reported-by-alarmists..............
Are you saying you're not entirely human?
By all means eat all the meat you like. It's your colon.
As I said........ humans are designed to eat meat......... so I do..........
If you feel you have more in common with a ruminant......... I would understand that......lol.
It always amazes me how little people understand evolution. Humans are not designed. We adapted thru our enviornment in a process call natural selection. Eating meat gave us a survival advantage in our homonid history .
on 26-04-2014 10:52 AM
@matthew_mark_luke_and_bob wrote:
@siggie-reported-by-alarmists wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@siggie-reported-by-alarmists wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@siggie-reported-by-alarmists wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@siggie-reported-by-alarmists wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@siggie-reported-by-alarmists wrote:As humans are Omnivores.......we actually have more in common with carnivores than herbivores...........
Early humans were eating meat over a million years ago and possibly as far back as 2.6 million years go.
Yeah but they died out.If they died out.........we wouldn't 't be here.......... sigh.........
The term "hominid" is also used in the more restricted sense as hominins or "humans and relatives of humans closer than chimpanzees".[2]
In this usage, all hominid species other than Homo sapiens are extinct.
A number of known extinct genera are grouped with humans in the Homininae subfamily, others with orangutans in the Ponginae subfamily.
The primatological term hominid is easily confused with a number of very similar words:
- A hominoid, commonly called an ape, is a member of the superfamily Hominoidea: extant members are the lesser apes (gibbons) and great apes.
- A hominine is a member of the subfamily Homininae: gorillas, chimpanzees, bonobos and humans (excludes orangutans).
- A hominin is a member of the tribe Hominini: modern humans and their extinct relatives.
- A human is a member of the genus Homo, of which Homo sapiens is the only extant species, and within that Homo sapiens sapiens is the only surviving subspecies.
Homo sapiens (Latin: "wise man") is the scientific name for the human species. Homo is the human genus, which also includes Neanderthals and many other extinct species of hominid;
H. sapiens is the only surviving species of the genus Homo.
Modern humans are the subspecies Homo sapiens sapiens, which differentiates them from what has been argued to be their direct ancestor, Homo sapiens idaltu.
Anatomically modern humans first appear in the fossil record in Africa about 195,000 years ago, and studies of molecular biology give evidence that the approximate time of divergence from the common ancestor of all modern human populations was 200,000 years ago.
Ok but the question is, did humans eat meat back then?
Yes of course they did. You eat pretty much anything to survive. Bugs, snails, whatever you can catch or kill. Ask Bear Grylls. There would have been long periods in earth's history where it would have been difficult to grow food or harvest it from nature.
The point is, humans are not naturally meat eaters and can survive, even thrive on a vegetarian diet.
Humans can also manage the ingestion and digestion of meat quite well but cannot live exclusively on meat without serious health issues such as bowel and heart disease.
By all means enjoy a good hearty steak or roast (I do) but don't kid youself that a diet high in animal products is good for you.
A good barbeque is appropriate for today's ANZAC day holiday, I think, pity it's raining.
Human evolution
This article is about the divergence of Homo saapiens from other species.
For a complete timeline of human evolution, see Timeline of human evolution. For other uses, see Human evolution (disambiguation)."Evolution of Man" redirects here. For the album by Example, see The Evolution of Man.Human evolution is the evolutionary process leading up to the appearance of modern humans. While it began with the last common ancestor of all life, the topic usually covers only the evolutionary history of primates, in particular the genus Homo, and the emergence of Homo sapiens as a distinct species of hominids (or "great apes").
The study of human evolution involves many scientific disciplines, including physical anthropology, primatology, archaeology, ethology, linguistics, evolutionary psychology, embryology and genetics.[1]Genetic studies show that primates diverged from other mammals about 85 million years ago in the Late Cretaceous period, and the earliest fossils appear in the Paleocene, around55 million years ago.[2] The family Hominidae diverged from the Hylobatidae (Gibbon) family 15-20 million years ago, and around 14 million years ago, the Ponginae (orangutans), diverged from the Hominidae family.[3] Bipedalism is the basic adaption of the Hominin line, and the earliest bipedal Hominin is considered to be either Sahelanthropus or Orrorin, with Ardipithecus, a full bipedal, coming somewhat later. The gorilla and chimpanzee diverged around the same time, about 4-6 million years ago, and either Sahelanthropus or Orrorin may be our last shared ancestor with them. The early bipedals eventually evolved into the australopithecines and later the genus Homo.
Consider what evolution means Icy.....lol.
no argument from me on this point siggie...lol
after millennia, humans have still not evolved to carnivores, though.
That's because humans are omnivores.......both carnivores and omnivores eat meat....... herbivores do not......
in reply to poddsteron 22-04-201406:14 AM
Because, as a human, I have a carnivores mouth and digestive tract.... not a herbivores.
There are major differences between the two.......humans are designed to eat meat.....so I do....
____________________________
siggie-reported-by-alarmists..............
Are you saying you're not entirely human?
By all means eat all the meat you like. It's your colon.
As I said........ humans are designed to eat meat......... so I do..........
If you feel you have more in common with a ruminant......... I would understand that......lol.
It always amazes me how little people understand evolution. Humans are not designed. We adapted thru our enviornment in a process call natural selection. Eating meat gave us a survival advantage in our homonid history .
Don't like the word design?....lol.
Then substitute with your choice of synonym.....
on 26-04-2014 01:38 PM
Dear Icyfroth,
I appreciate your kudos but must inform you that you are on the wrong side of the argument. Humans are not herbivores and neanderthaler interbred with humans so that bits of their (male only) DNA can still be found in modern humans.
on 26-04-2014 01:41 PM
well, that's how most modern humans reproduce
on 26-04-2014 04:41 PM
As I said........ humans are designed to eat meat......... so I do..........
If you feel you have more in common with a ruminant......... I would understand that.....
Not all herbivores are ruminants - elephants, for example, only have one stomach, and so do rabbits. he one thing that suggests any creature is or was at one time herbivorous is the length of the gut- you need a long gut to digest plant material successfully - and humans have a very long gut. Another clue to our herbivorous past is our (now redundant) appendix. We have adapted to being omniverous but our digestive system is still that of a herbivore. Conversely, the giant panda was once a carnivore and has a very short gut. The bamboo on which it lives goes straight through it's digestive tract and it has to eat massive amounts of it to obtain enough nourishment. I suspect one reason humans adapted to eat meat was biological economy - you need comparatively little of it to obtain sufficient protein.
26-04-2014 05:00 PM - edited 26-04-2014 05:02 PM
@kennedia_nigricans wrote:Dear Icyfroth,
I appreciate your kudos but must inform you that you are on the wrong side of the argument.
It's nice you appreciate the kudo's. I dont' give them as a personal compliment but simply as a token that I agree with a given comment.
No need to flatter yourself.
Humans are not herbivores
neither are they carnivores
and neanderthaler interbred with humans so that bits of their (male only) DNA can still be found in modern humans.
Can you post some links to show how you come to this opinion please.
on
26-04-2014
05:07 PM
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26-04-2014
06:15 PM
by
underbat
kennedia_nigricans wrote:
Dear Icyfroth,
I appreciate your kudos but must inform you that you are on the wrong side of the argument.
It's nice you appreciate the kudo's. I dont' give them as a personal compliment but simply as a token that I agree with a given comment.
No need to flatter yourself.
Originally I wanted to say that I am embarrassed that you gave me kudos (wouldn't mind if it had been spot or so to give me kudos) but then I thought it might sound like an interpersonal dispute so I posted the nice thing.
Humans are not herbivores
neither are they carnivores
I never claimed that.
and neanderthaler interbred with humans so that bits of their (male only) DNA can still be found in modern humans.
Can you post some links to show how you come to this opinion please.
Well, you see it's not an opinion, it's a fact which is not something that changes just because some people don't believe it (just like water at 20 degrees celsius is wet no matter how much one might claim that it is in fact dry).
on 26-04-2014 05:10 PM
This is my defence
on
26-04-2014
05:16 PM
- last edited on
26-04-2014
09:57 PM
by
underbat
@kennedia_nigricans wrote:
@kennedia_nigricans wrote:
Dear Icyfroth,
I appreciate your kudos but must inform you that you are on the wrong side of the argument.
It's nice you appreciate the kudo's. I dont' give them as a personal compliment but simply as a token that I agree with a given comment.
No need to flatter yourself.
Originally I wanted to say that I am embarrassed that you gave me kudos (wouldn't mind if it had been spot or so to give me kudos) but then I thought it might sound like an interpersonal dispute so I posted the nice thing.
Humans are not herbivores
neither are they carnivores
I never claimed that.
and neanderthaler interbred with humans so that bits of their (male only) DNA can still be found in modern humans.
Can you post some links to show how you come to this opinion please.
Well, you see it's not an opinion, it's a fact which is not something that changes just because some people don't believe it (just like water at 20 degrees celsius is wet no matter how much one might claim that it is in fact dry).
Then why bother at all?