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so over it..

come on Dan the man(D...K H...D) loosen the belt a bit!!Smiley Sad

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Don't do that Tazz - he really likes his crayon box. 

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People are saying "The worst in the world:"

 


 

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Former government insider calls out Victoria's 'police state' tactics
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Senior Victorian Treasury insider Sanjeev Sabhlok has given his first television interview since he sensationally resigned after he was told to remove tweets that were critical of Premier Daniel Andrews. Stream full episodes on 9Now: https://9now.app.link/5Kxzlq5dX6 Subscribe here: https://bit.ly/2mBeStv

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Mr Sabhlok, an economist, has a different value system to mine.

 

I am not a devotรฉe of Dan Andrews. I don't think he's "the man". He is responsible for bad decisions and the responsibility for the hotel quarantine debacle should be squarely on him. He lies and shifts blame. Yet - in my view - he did everything he could to turn the appalling situation around when case numbers in Victoria mushroomed. He took the health advice and ran with it.

 

I don't agree with every restriction we were given, but I do agree with most of them. The hit to businesses is a direct result of the unacceptably high case numbers that meant we had to go to quite harsh restrictions (aka lockdown), and I sympathise tremendously with the devastated workers and the many businesses that have closed down or are teetering on the edge of it.

 

The Victorian government was faced with a terrible choice. But if the lockdown had not been imposed, there would be so many more deaths, so many more families hurt unbearably by grief, no chance at all of Victoria being part of the rest of Australia... The economic impact of failing to act would - in my view - have been very bad but with no offset of defeating COVID-19 in the communty.

 

There were, as I have mentioned, some measures that I thought unnecessary. There were failures to act soon enough. There remain severe issues with PPE and those issues have been denied at ministerial level but known at ground level. The contact tracing was abysmal and part of that is due to exactly the same thing that - in my view - precipitated the second wave in the first place: failure to accept help. I not only acknowledge these things, but I think they are disgraceful.

 

However...

 

I'm critical of Mr Sabhlok's "police state" accusation. He hasn't lived in a real police state (where the term is intended to imply a totalitarian regime). Nazi Germany, post-war East Germany with the STASI, the so-called Democratic People's Republic of Korea, Turkey... I could go on, but really, comparing any of these to the state of Victoria where police enforce the wearing of masks and restricted movement during a pandemic to try to stop the virus is bizarre. There were times I wish I could have enforced some of those things when I saw brazen lack of compliance... or people touching their masks and either not noticing or not caring that this meant any virus that would have been on the outside of their masks was transferred to their hands.

 

Sanjeev Sabhlok claims he "did not come here to live in a socialist society". Apparently he wanted his input to override all the health advice. Countries where the advice of an economist (or an epidemiologist with a pragmatic herd immunity approach where deaths are just an acceptable price to pay) is taken in preference to the advice of epidemiologists who value life (and realise that we know so little about this virus that we cannot run stupid risks with it), infection control experts, medical experts, pathologists, doctors, etc., have seen appalling losses of life, second waves, third waves, and a misreading about herd immunity. So far Sweden, for instance, has had more than 6,000 deaths; Germany, with 8 times the population of Sweden, has had around 11,400 deaths. We don't know how many of Sweden's population have any of the long-term effects of COVID-19, such as fibrosis on the lungs, damaged cardio muscle, other organ damage, impaired energy function.

 

I reject Mr Sabhlok's viewpoint with abhorrence.

 

I deplore the decisions and behaviours that led to the second wave in Victoria, but once we were in it, we had to hunker down to get out.

 

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Just as a comment... Mr Sabhlok tweeted in criticism, and the justification for the "police state" and "socialist" comments failed to occurr. He wasn't arrested and water-boarded. He wasn't held in captivity and forced to weave cotton. He wasn't tortured and shot at dawn. He has thereby proved that his "police state" comments were incorrect. 

 

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A police state can present itself inn many forms countessalmirena. You're using some very brutal examples in other countries to counter what Mr Sabhlok, has said. Did you know that Australia has been on a gradual downward slide as far as freedom and liberties are concerned? Well by Western Standards he has a valid point.

 In the wake of the Sept 11, 2001 tragedy and further on, Howard implemented laws and gave authorities powers that could easily be abused. And they may be one day!

 

Not content with destroying workers rights and lusting after an American style medical system where if you don't have insurance you can die, he wanted something that could be likened to what was happening in Germany during the 1930s. Fraser was on to it!


 

 
 
Sydney Morning Herald, February 7, 2012
  In late 2005, John Howard introduced new counterterrorism legislation, which was supported by Kim Beazley's Labor opposition. This legislation was criticised by some members of the civil liberties lobby. In 2006, Fraser linked the legislation to Hitler's Nazi regime. Chris Maxwell, when president of Liberty Victoria in 2001, described the earlier Howard counterterrorism legislation as ''redolent of Stalinist Russia''.

 

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/threat-from-enemy-within-makes-anti-terrorism-laws-indispens...

 


Well, OK that was back then and is another issue. But ......

 

People are having to go through checkpoints and they are (In the opinion of many)  also being prepped mentally / emotionally for something that could be made mandatory.

 


 

 
FINANCIAL REVIEW
John RoskamWhy I was right about Victoria's police state

The critics of Daniel Andrews' authoritarian virus response have been proved correct by the draconian omnibus COVID-19 emergency bill.

 

John Roskam Columnist
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At the beginning of April, I wrote in these pages that Labor Premier Daniel Andrews, in response to COVID-19, had created a "police state" in Victoria. The column ran with the standfirst: "Economic devastation, house arrest and a police state. Surely there could have been a better way."

I described how under Andrews the most extreme home detention laws in the country had been enacted and enforced without public debate or parliamentary scrutiny, and how the government regulations that controlled every aspect of Victorians' lives were being made and then changed, literally "hour by hour at the whim of politicians and bureaucrats".

 

 

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You do tend to put an overly dramatic spin on things countessalmirena.

 

Unlike you, I don't reject Mr Sabhlok's viewpoint with abhorrence. I look at it as an intelligent analysis which indicates where we could possibly be heading.

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John Roskam is the head of the IPA.. not someone I would view with any credibility

 

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/1bz7et/ipas_75_point_list_for_abbott/

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@4channel wrote:

A police state can present itself inn many forms countessalmirena. You're using some very brutal examples in other countries to counter what Mr Sabhlok, has said. Did you know that Australia has been on a gradual downward slide as far as freedom and liberties are concerned? Well by Western Standards he has a valid point.

 

A police state is a government that exercises power through the power of the police force.

 

 A totalitarian state controlled by a political police force that secretly supervises the citizens' activities.

 

 In the wake of the Sept 11, 2001 tragedy and further on, Howard implemented laws and gave authorities powers that could easily be abused. And they may be one day!

 

Now you are starting to sound like one of those US citizens that believes in the 2nd amendment and all the

conspiracy theories about the US government.


You do tend to put an overly dramatic spin on things countessalmirena.

 

Unlike you, I don't reject Mr Sabhlok's viewpoint with abhorrence. I look at it as an intelligent analysis which indicates where we could possibly be heading.

 

Again with the suppositions from your imaginations that has no base for believabilty.

 


And that is why there is such a VAST difference between what the countess writes and it's acceptance by others as there is knowledge and that this is Aus and not anything that can be termed as a a police state as that refers to brutailty and loss of freedom by all citizens.

 

If the lockdowns hadn't happened we would've had 1000's of more cases and more deaths and if the lockdown had been removed early like the stupid protesters wanted then we would've had more cases as well.

 

What did all the protesters achieve during lockdown?

They got out of there home to protests during a dangerous period where others could die because of their stupidity about different things and what did it achieve/change because of it NOTHING.stubborn_smiley_by_mirz123-d4bt0te_zps12f1a5a3.gif

 

 

 

 

 

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@4channel wrote:

 

 

People are having to go through checkpoints and they are (In the opinion of many)  also being prepped mentally / emotionally for something that could be made mandatory.

 

You obviously have no idea about checkpoints and why they are/were necessarily and NO they are NOT used as you mentioned and once again you have gone into conspiracy theories and even trying to use the unfounded (In the opinion of many) .

 

Mental health can be a big issue for some and imagining things that aren't true can impact people lives in a very negative manner.shok.gif

 


 

At the beginning of April, I wrote in these pages that Labor Premier Daniel Andrews, in response to COVID-19, had created a "police state" in Victoria. The column ran with the standfirst: "Economic devastation, house arrest and a police state. Surely there could have been a better way."

I described how under Andrews the most extreme home detention laws in the country had been enacted and enforced without public debate or parliamentary scrutiny, and how the government regulations that controlled every aspect of Victorians' lives were being made and then changed, literally "hour by hour at the whim of politicians and bureaucrats".

 

The part is that there was no better way as proven by the outcome so his diatribe is just a lot of nonsense.


 

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Meet Daniel Andrews' fiercest critic: Liberal MP Tim Smith

 

 

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Posted SatSaturday 3 OctOctober 2020 at 9:31am, updated SatSaturday 3 OctOctober 2020 at 2:02pm
 
 
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We know Daniel Andrews has maimed Melbourne. Heโ€™s also wreaking ruin in the regions
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The implementation of Victoriaโ€™s lockdown restrictions highlights the growing divide between Melbourne and regional Victoria. The Melbourne centric Victorian government has ignored the issues faced by regional Victorians, failing to implement measures in proportion to the varying risk of coronavirus across the state
 
https://spectator.com.au/2020/10/we-know-daniel-andrews-has-maimed-melbourne-hes-also-rooting-the-re...

 


There's no doubt that Covid 19 is a major concern even though the majority of people recover from it, there are still people who will be a casualty. But Andrews has gone into overkill where he's treating this issue like it's the virus out of Zombie Apocalypse .

 

With the major criminal issues in Victoria and large amount of immigrants trying to make a lliving and a better life for themselves, having worked in multiple jobs to keep their head above water, there are going to be issues.  And people from parents born here trying to keep afloat, this also going to be an issue. There will be major problems in due course!

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What do mean - in due course.

 

Where have you been.???

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I don't know what state you live in 4Chanel, but as a Melburnian, I certainly don't feel like I'm living in a police state

 

 

. The crime rate went up over lockdown as people breached health and satety guidelines.... like the Qanon protestors for example. regarding the protestors. their numbers were very small. considering the melb population is around 5 million people... every time they arranged a protest they could only muster a couple of hundred people at the most.  It's the police I feel sorry for having to deal with all that

 

 

Tim Smith, we're well aware of in Melbourne... you could say he's a bit of a laughing stock

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