Moving into COVID-Normal...? Preparing for a post-COVID world, or "Living with COVID-19"

We're not there yet. We're not yet at a stage where we can truly consider the world to have moved to COVID-normal. But we can see it on the horizon, and we can start to live in a way that is locally "living with COVID-19", barring any setbacks with more virulent or more infectious strains of SARS-CoV-2.

 

This is due to the vaccines that have been developed, approved, and administered in Australia and in many parts of the world.

 

If you read the thread State by State, Australia vs Elsewhere, in the age of COVID-19 and beyond, particularly in reference to the Australian CHO Prof. Paul Kelly's opinion piece, that article in the post to which I've linked raises some interesting points.

 

It brings to the forefront of my mind a perception that the deaths and adverse outcomes he mentions are not acceptable. In the same way, I do not consider any preventable deaths as acceptable. It may be a pragmatic reality that such deaths and adverse outcomes occur; however, there are simple things we can do to limit those outcomes.

 

I have been advocating for certain hygiene measures and air purification measures for some time. That has to step up now. Some of these measures cost absolutely nothing; some will require some financial outlay. But what is the cost of human life?

 

  • We must keep up the hand hygiene, and pass on those lessons to the next generation and the generation beyond that. COST: negligible. (Soap and water; ~70% alcohol-containing hand sanitiser; alcohol wipes for doors, rails, high touch areas, to prevent transmission by fomites)
  • It would be a good idea always to have a P2/N95 mask with us in the event of having respiratory symptoms, or being in the presence of anyone with such symptoms. COST: negligible for close-fitting cloth masks  washed daily. Higher cost if using reusable P2/N95 masks, and higher still if using single-use P2/N95 masks. Highest cost if test-fitted. (For immunocompromised individuals or those in close contact with such individuals or working in medical/health care settings, such a cost is not only affordable, but justified.)
  • If we wear a mask (so, presumably in a risky setting) and in the course of doing so TOUCH OUR MASK, such as adjusting it, or even fleetingly coming into contact with the outside of the mask, we must as soon as possible sanitise our hands. Do not touch your eyes or your ear or anyone else or another surface before sanitising your hands. COST: nothing.
  • There are crowded or high density settings that are unnecessary and can be avoided; maintain social distancing if possible and if appropriate. In social friendly settings, once we can relax and get back to hugging people and shaking hands, there will always be a risk but that is part of the price of being social beings and enjoying human relationships. COST: nothing.
  • If we experience symptoms of illness, we must not have the attitude of soldiering on. We must STAY HOME, and get tested for COVID-19 if our symptoms are associated with those of COVID-19. COST: unknown. This may result in more sick days, but these sorts of things are the reason for us having sick days - not to "chuck a sickie" and hoof off to the cricket or the footie.
  • If we are unwell, we MUST NOT VISIT HOSPITALS or AGED CARE or ANY INDIVIDUAL WHO IS VULNERABLE TO INFECTION. This includes stomach upsets and diarrhoea. Hospitals have had signs up warning visitors of precisely this for many years, but visitors persistently disregard this or talk themselves out of caring. That can no longer happen. We must stay away if we have or have recently had those symptoms, or we run the risk of bringing severe sickness or worse to the people we love most. COST: nothing.
  • If you have visitors to your home, open up your windows. This will increase ventilation and lower the risk of transmission of airborne viruses. COST: nothing.
  • Get a good HEPA air purifier if this is affordable within your budget. COST: variable, but  you can certainly get a good quality air purifier for $500 or perhaps a little more. There are mobile air purifiers available so that you can move it to where you are, thus maximising its effectiveness. Make sure it is big enough for the area, otherwise it will not provide the required purification effectiveness.
  • Now that rapid antigen tests are available, they should be used in appropriate settings. They are not a substitute for a nasopharyngeal swab, but they have their uses.

We should attempt to make Australia a nation of healthy individuals, but this is an immense task. Being healthy and fit reduces risk factors, so it does make sense for us to optimise our state of fitness. COST: I could say "nothing", but the truth is that this is a magic health outcome that GPs and nutritionists have been trying to achieve for a very long time. Ah well, that's a discussion for another day.

 

All of these measures can only help us in this Delta-variant world if the great majority are vaccinated.

 

 

 

And... of course... we have a responsibility to make those vaccines available to each nation and each individual. If we don't help the poor, not only is that our moral shame but it is an ongoing risk to every single one of us.

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Countess, I guess some of those ways may help but to me, the most obvious thing is that the government should have a dedicated help line exclusively for anyone who is registered as currently having covid and having to isolate. I am not saying it should be free, but it would help if somewhere in the information, it said that a service was available for those in immediate short term need.

 

I've known now of several people affected. One was an elderly woman in her late 80s or 90s whose husband had just died of covid. Luckily she had family to help out but this woman (suffering from covid and not well herself, I might add) was sent home to isolate. No computer or facebook or anything like that.

But also.. no one anywhere checking that she actually had family who could and would help.

 

It's not only covid. I've seen this sort of stuff happening over and over & in my opinion, there are huge gaps in our medical system.

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I know. I agree; people without a network and especially people not tech-savvy are so vulnerable and will easily fall through the cracks.

 

 

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Effect of Early Treatment with Ivermectin among Patients with Covid-19

 

New study in Brazil, high quality.

 

From the abstract:

 

Background

The efficacy of ivermectin in preventing hospitalization or extended observation in an emergency setting among outpatients with acutely symptomatic coronavirus disease 2019 (Covid-19), the disease caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), is unclear.


Methods

We conducted a double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled, adaptive platform trial involving symptomatic SARS-CoV-2–positive adults recruited from 12 public health clinics in Brazil. Patients who had had symptoms of Covid-19 for up to 7 days and had at least one risk factor for disease progression were randomly assigned to receive ivermectin (400 μg per kilogram of body weight) once daily for 3 days or placebo. (The trial also involved other interventions that are not reported here.) The primary composite outcome was hospitalization due to Covid-19 within 28 days after randomization or an emergency department visit due to clinical worsening of Covid-19 (defined as the participant remaining under observation for >6 hours) within 28 days after randomization.


Results

A total of 3515 patients were randomly assigned to receive ivermectin (679 patients), placebo (679), or another intervention (2157). Overall, 100 patients (14.7%) in the ivermectin group had a primary-outcome event, as compared with 111 (16.3%) in the placebo group (relative risk, 0.90; 95% Bayesian credible interval, 0.70 to 1.16). Of the 211 primary-outcome events, 171 (81.0%) were hospital admissions. Findings were similar to the primary analysis in a modified intention-to-treat analysis that included only patients who received at least one dose of ivermectin or placebo (relative risk, 0.89; 95% Bayesian credible interval, 0.69 to 1.15) and in a per-protocol analysis that included only patients who reported 100% adherence to the assigned regimen (relative risk, 0.94; 95% Bayesian credible interval, 0.67 to 1.35). There were no significant effects of ivermectin use on secondary outcomes or adverse events.


Conclusions

Treatment with ivermectin did not result in a lower incidence of medical admission to a hospital due to progression of Covid-19 or of prolonged emergency department observation among outpatients with an early diagnosis of Covid-19.

 

Reference: Reis, G., Silva, E., Silva, D., Thabane, L., Milagres, A., & Ferreira, T. et al. (2022). Effect of Early Treatment with Ivermectin among Patients with Covid-19. New England Journal Of Medicine. https://doi.org/10.1056/nejmoa2115869

 

This is the sort of quality study that gives verifiable results, and it's clear now that ivermectin does not live up to the hopes that many people had.

 

Within the study a careful explanation of ivermectin trials is made that lays out the problems thus far with ivermectin being used clinically in this way:

 

More than 60 randomized trials of ivermectin for the treatment of Covid-19 have been registered, and findings have been reported for as many as 31 clinical trials. The results have been discordant, and various review groups interpret the evidence differently — some advocating for benefits of ivermectin, and others reticent to conclude a benefit. However, most trials have been small, and several have been withdrawn from publication owing to concerns about credibility.

 

As stated in the study:

 

We conducted this randomized, adaptive platform trial for the investigation of the efficacy of repurposed treatments for Covid-19 among adult outpatients at high risk for hospitalization. The trial was designed and conducted in partnership with local public health authorities from 12 cities in Brazil in order to simultaneously test potential treatments for early Covid-19 with the use of a master protocol. A master protocol defines prospective decision criteria for discontinuing interventions for futility, stopping owing to superiority of an intervention over placebo, or adding new interventions. Interventions that have been evaluated in this trial thus far include hydroxychloroquine and lopinavir–ritonavir (both in protocol 1) and metformin, ivermectin administered for 1 day, ivermectin administered for 3 days, doxazosin, pegylated interferon lambda, and fluvoxamine (all in protocol 2), as compared with matching placebos. The full trial protocol with the statistical analysis plan has been published previously and is available with the full text of this article at NEJM.org.

 

It was very carefully randomised.

 

An independent pharmacist conducted the randomization at a central trial facility, from which the trial sites requested randomization by means of text message. Patients underwent randomization by means of a block randomization procedure for each participating site, with stratification according to age (<50 years or ≥50 years). The trial team, site staff, and patients were unaware of the randomized assignments. The active-drug and placebo pills were packaged in identically shaped bottles and labeled with alphabetic letters corresponding to ivermectin or placebo. Participants who were randomly assigned to receive placebo were assigned to a placebo regimen (ranging from 1 day to 14 days) that corresponded with that of a comparable active-treatment group in the trial. Only the pharmacist who was responsible for randomization was aware of which letter referred to which assignment.

 

Between the placebo group and ivermectin group, there were no significant differences with regard to viral clearance, risk of hospitalisation, time to hospitalisation, number of days in hospital, time to clinical recovery, risk of death, time to death, number of days with mechanical ventilation, or incidence of adverse events during the treatment period.

 

Early treatment (treatment regime beginning within 3 days of symptoms onset) showed no observed benefit.

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A small lapse in our behaviour in public, we caught it 3 weeks ago. My husband woke up around 4am saying he didn't feel well. He point blank refused to go for a PCR, but agreed to a rat. You're meant to wait 15 minutes before reading it, he had 2 distinct lines in under 90 seconds. Given that every doctor he is under (and there are quite a few) said he would die if he caught it, you could imagine how we felt!

 

As he works in health, he was forced to have a PCR the next day, which obviously was positive. I had no symptoms, but still had a PCR, which also showed positive. I got symptoms the next day, and was out of action for the next 10 or 11 days.

 

For the one who was supposed to die, he got through it really well. He had high fevers (41.5C) for a few days. Panadol didn't touch it. He also complained of a headache, sore joints, and super super tired. Me, I had fevers of 39C, a headache and a shocking dry cough. I was nowhere near as fatigued as he was.

 

We are both back at work and I'm still having breathing issues. I keep getting very breathless. Doing simple things like having a shower, putting pants on, rolling over in bed, sees me gasping for air. My doctor is running lots of tests on me. I'm hoping against all hope it's nothing to do with long covid. 

 

Interestingly, we were going for our booster shots the day after we tested positive! I think if we weren't vaccinated, and we'd got an earlier strain, the outcome could be quite different.

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It's truly been said that vaccination is making all the difference. (I hope you don't have longCOVID.)

 

 

 

Just as an example, of the 13 deaths reported today in NSW, three people had received three doses of a COVID-19 vaccine, six people had received two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine and four people were not vaccinated.

 

NSW has 94.69% of its 16+ population double-vaccinated. That's 6,210,559 out of its 6,565,651.

Of that, 3,961,965 have had a booster, which equates to 60.34%.

94,828 of its 16+ population have had only one dose of the vaccine... That's 1.44%.

And... 260,264 of its 16+ population are unvaccinated - around 3.96%.

 

Out of those 13 deaths reported today, 10 of those people were either insufficiently vaccinated or completely unvaccinated.

 

10 people


10 out of 13

 

 

COVID-19 disproportionately kills those who aren't vaccinated against it.

 

 

There's also this:

 

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Obviously there is still a risk for people, and it increases with increased age, but when estimated COVID deaths per 10,000 cases are between 322 and 362 for unvaccinated people over 70, but those estimated death numbers come down to between 13 and 18 with 3 doses of the vaccine, it's just a no-brainer.

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I was reading that vaccination makes people about 20 times less likely to end up in hospital ICU or die of covid.

It certainly doesn't make them immune, just less likely to suffer as severely.

 

What I suspect, sons & daughters, is that had your husband caught delta, he may very well have died, vaccination or no vaccination. My brother in law was fully vaxxed but died. He did have underlying conditions and was in his 70s, so vulnerable.

 

Omicron seems to be a very different kettle of fish.

I think for starters, the vaccines don't work as well against omicron, in the sense of stopping you getting it. It seems much more contagious. On the other hand though, the symptoms seem to have morphed somewhat. Fever, headache, joint pain & tiredness seem to be fairly common. And coughing. But not so much deep respiratory distress. Not saying it doesn't happen, just that where it was a key feature of delta, it doesn't seem to be so much with omicron.

 

Now that you've had a dose of covid, are you waiting to get the booster? Some of my kids and grandkids had covid in late January and one daughter is now waiting till the start of winter for her booster, which to me makes sense as she would already have some antibodies from covid and might be best to wait for a few months till the immunity waned.

The thing I noticed with the children (all unvaxxed as they are young) is they had symptoms for only hours and were pretty good after that. It definitely does seem to hit the adults more. That's just anecdotal observation.

Glad you and your husband have come through it relatively well though you definitely need to keep an eye on any lingering symptoms.

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We have both said that we probably had Omicron, which was a good thing. We were both very concerned about getting Delta, because it certainly seemed to take out more people with underlying health conditions. While I am generally otherwise healthy, I am a former smoker and grew up with Asthma, so it could have knocked me around a lot too. 

 

According to the Covid Care in the Community people (a free service provided by NSW Health where they call you each day to check on you, and organise support and specialist visits if needed), we have to wait 6-8 weeks to get the booster. We will be there as soon as our time is up!

 

I have heard so many people say "I was fully vaccinated and still got it, why?". The vax doesn't prevent you getting it. For most, it significantly reduces the symptoms and does reduce the chances of death. People who have the flu vax every year, can still get the flu. Sometimes it's a strain that isn't covered in the vax. For others, it reduces the symptoms and gives them the best chance of recovery. 

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Today has thrown me a curveball.

 

We deliberately refrained from heading up to Beechworth over Easter to see the family members who now live there, because my brother-in-law was told, just before I finalised all of the arrangements, that he was a close contact of his boss who had just tested positive for COVID-19.

 

Today I had a catch-up with two friends (fully boosted, regularly tested), together with immunocompromised family member. All fine; masks worn going in, open space café, no hugging, enough space to socially distance.

 

Then straight after that, my best friend and I were meeting up to do a bit of singing - some Monteverdi - after 2 years of not singing together. She'd tested herself several times in the last two weeks - all fine. But today, about 20 minutes after we arrived at her place (and we'd not begun singing), she got a call from her nephew. He had tested positive on a RAT and had symptoms.

 

She'd seen him just yesterday, after he'd had a negative RAT result.

 

Of course we immediately cancelled our plans, and I whisked away vulnerable family member and myself ASAP, but we'd already had a 2-second hug and been talking together. We had been sitting about two metres apart - probably out of sheer habit by now... I've seen to every booster vaccination jabs possible... my friend has no symptoms and... her nephew most likely didn't have a high viral load yesterday... but there is still a risk.

 

Well, we'll ride out this week with extreme caution, and take a RAT each in 3 or so days. If it's positive, I'll have to liaise with our GP to prescribe molnupiravir for vulnerable family member.

 

 

For anyone who thinks this pandemic is over (and unfortunately there are some), I can only refer them to the French Guards in Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail for an appropriate response.

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It's far from over and some of my work colleagues are saddling up for round 2 of Covid. They recovered from the first time, it has absolutely knocked them for 6 the second time around. Like seriously, flattened them. I'm still having issues after the first time. I do NOT want to have it again if it's 10 times worse. 

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Work I can understand.

 

But why - with a very susceptible family member - beats me.

 

From one saying this is far from over - which it is - far from over.

 

And do not rely totally on RATS - they are far from perfect.

 

I do hope all are OK.

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