My Health Record system crashes as Australians rush to opt out

imastawka
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The My Health Record telephone opt-out service has overloaded and crashed as Australians rush to opt out of the controversial e-health system before the November 15 deadline.

 

Callers to the helpline are being told the computer system used by call centre operators has crashed.

 

"We've been inundated with calls," one operator said on Tuesday morning. "They are working as quickly as possible to get it up and running again."

 

One patient was advised to "try again later or tomorrow" and that the line would be open 24 hours a day, seven days a week. It is understood that people have also had difficulties opting out online.

 

About 17 million Australians will be automatically enrolled in the My Health record if they do not opt out by next Thursday, despite lingering significant privacy concerns.

 

It comes as Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt weighs up Labor's demands for six additional amendments to a government bill that is yet to pass in Parliament, which would address some of the privacy and security concerns of the existing legislation.

 

Australian Medical Association President Tony Bartone last night met with staffers from Mr Hunt's office to make the case for the minister to accept the recommendations of the Senate inquiry into the My Health Record rollout.

 

Legislation that would enshrine a patient's right to permanently delete their record, and ensure that police may only access a person's medical history with a court order, is yet to pass Parliament but politicians will not get a chance to debate the bill before the opt-out deadline passes on November 15.

 

The Senate inquiry last month recommended that the opt-out period be extended by 12 months and legislation substantially rewritten to safeguard patients' safety and privacy, but Mr Hunt refused to extend the opt-out period.

 

Labor has outlined six amendments, based on key Senate inquiry recommendations, which it will move to the government's bill if the issue is not resolved before the next sitting period.

 

These amendments will ensure that My Health Record "can never be privatised or commercialised"; that private health insurers "can never access My Health Records, including de-identified data"; and that employer doctors cannot access worker health records.

 

Labor will also move an amendment to ensure that domestic violence victims are protected, by "narrowing the definition of parental responsibility" as it applies to the scheme.

 

Currently, a violent former partner may access their child's My Health Record, even if they are not the custodial parent.

 

Domestic violence advocates have raised concerns that this information could be used to track down a person who is in hiding for safety reasons.

 

The Labor amendments will also specify that the Australian Digital Health Agency cannot delegate access to patient records to other entities, and enshrine tougher penalties for breaches of the My Health Record Act.

 

Opposition Health spokeswoman Catherine King repeated her call for Mr Hunt to further extend the opt-out period.

 

"This rollout should not continue until all concerns have been resolved through legislation, and a Privacy Commissioner review has been completed," Ms King said.

"Nearly four months after public controversy first erupted - and with less than 10 days to go until the opt-out period ends - we still don't know what the government is planning to do to fix this mess. The government’s rollout has seriously undermined public support for an electronic health record system that could deliver enormous benefits to patients and clinicians."

 

A spokesman for Mr Hunt said that, under the government's yet-to-be-passed reforms, anyone who opted out after the November 15 deadline would be able to have their details "deleted forever".

 

“The opt-out date has already been extended and the opt-outs are travelling at a significantly lower rate than expected," the spokeswoman said on Monday.

 

The Australian Digital Health Agency has been contacted for comment.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/my-health-record-system-crashes-as-australians-rush-to-opt-...

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@domino-710 wrote:

Flawed enough to now extend the - '  Opt out ' - till Jan 31 - 2019.


It's been extended because of flaws with the website - not the actual legislation

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-14/my-health-record-opt-out-period-extended-as-website-hits-issu...

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"Legislation that would enshrine a patient's right to permanently delete their record, and ensure that police may only access a person's medical history with a court order, is yet to pass Parliament but politicians will not get a chance to debate the bill before the opt-out deadline passes on November 15."

 

'above is from the OP

 

I look at it this way...

what's more important to me my money or my health? 

.... i decided it was my health...

 

now I know that I certainly do not want all my financial situation/details available to scammers, stored in one place and added to daily (read accessed here) by thousands of providers with millions of  other records stored together in database just awaiting exploitation ...

 

so

 

I definitely do not want my health details stored that way either

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@davidc4430 wrote:

dont shoot me cause i'm not sure about this but i think at one point some were saying if you were applying for a job the company could access your records, not just rely on your honesty. maybe that was just a load of shyte, dunno.

You are right David....one of the reasons for caution was because it was not clear who would have the right to access the records.

There could be ramifications if a company offering health insurance policies could get access to health records before issuing those policies.

 

i havent 'opted out'

 

i figure living where i do there is a high chance i might get sent to adelaide if i had a medical emergency and having my records available would be a good thing.

It is not difficult for any hospital to get your records from your own doctor and if your own doctor has sent you to a specialist for example he will send a copy of any relevant records to the specialist or hospital.

 

i havent thought of any thing against the idea of my records being in a central data base.

 

but who knows in the future what might get known about government maybe selling information to drug companys or sumthing.

thats why i asked why is there a cutoff time at all, why cant you 'opt out' anytime.

now, next year or in 5 years....whenever you want.

As I understand it, the reason for the cutoff time is so that a record is not created in the first place as there is some concern over how they will be deleted and will it be permanent or will the information still be available if hackers look far enough.


 

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@rose*petals wrote:

Was discussed on the Project tonight,  They had an IT expert who admitted it could save

your life if you were taken to hospital.  Especially if you had lots of allergies like me.  One

point that was made is your dentist can get access.  It's ony medical people that can so

doesn't worry me if the dentist checks allergies etc.  I'll stay until something untoward happens.


I received an email from my work union a couple of hours ago. They are advising all members to opt out because:

 

  • Your employer could get access to all of your medical records
  • Your insurer could get access to all of your medical records
  • You might not seek out the medical help you need

If this is correct then I didn't know it.

 

BTW my union is one of the biggest in the country.

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So what happens if you have a health record at the moment and opt out ie cancel your health record???

 

https://www.myhealthrecord.gov.au/for-you-your-family/howtos/cancel-my-record

 

What happens when you cancel a My Health Record?

When you cancel your record:

  • Healthcare providers will not be able to upload documents or access the record - even in an emergency.
  • You, or your representative can only see the record by making a request to us.
  • Once your record is cancelled, it will be kept for 30 years after your death or, if the date of death is unknown, for 130 years after the date of your birth.
  • It may be accessed by us for maintenance, audit and other purposes required or authorised by law.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

 

However if you, at the moment, do not have a health record and opt out before the deadline then there are no records to keep ie none will have been created so that the good ole govt can keep those records for 30 years after your death...or ....lol....

 

130 years after your birth that can be accessed by

 

... and I quote....

 

"mainteneance, audit and other purposes required or authorized by law"....

 

cancel
/ˈkans(ə)l/
verb
 
  1. 1.
    decide or announce that (a planned event) will not take place.
    "he was forced to cancel his visit"
     
    synonyms: call off, abandonscrapdrop

 

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Thanks to responders for additional info.

 

I have not seen anything, so far, that would affect me or my situation.

 

I have no employer, nor private health insurance.

 

I cannot, for the life of me, see what my health record has to do with my finances.

 

I have changed doctors a few times over the years, so my health record is not in the one place.

 

I'm not opting out.

 

And how do you know if you already have a health record or not?

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"And how do you know if you already have a health record or not?"

 

I can only assume I do not. My long-term GP retired about a year ago.

I decided to see a new doctor, liked him and organised for my health

record to be sent to me and him from the previous GP's surgery.

I had to pay for it too. My new GP clearly stated beforehand that he 

did not have access to my health records!

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By linking your online Medicare account to your My gov account....'way back when'...by default a PCEHR was created

 

.....but you all knew that right??..... no subterfuge here

 

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-07-18/my-health-record-opt-out-confusion/10000008

 

 

Almost 6 million Australians currently hold a My Health Record, according to the Australian Digital Health Agency (ADHA).

 

 

Wes Mountain in Melbourne said he tried to opt out of My Health Record on Monday, but the system told him he already had a record.

 

He is certain he never actively created a My Health Record, but when he logged in, he found several documents relating to prescriptions were already uploaded.

 

When examining the access log, he found the first action taken on his account was a document added by an external provider — DHS Medicare Repository Services — in late June.

 

The first time he had ever personally accessed the record was on Monday, according to the access log shown to the ABC.

He plans on contacting the ADHA to try and figure out what happened, and see if his record can be deleted.

 

Old records could be pulling in data

 

The My Health Record was once called the Personally Controlled Electronic Health Record (PCEHR)

 

"Some people may have forgotten that they have one and not known that the name of the record has since changed," an ADHA spokesperson said.

 

Jamie in Sydney, who didn't want to be identified, told the ABC she logged into the government services platform MyGov on Monday to find a My Health Record had pulled in data as far back as 2011.

 

She can't remember starting a record, but the record's online access log shows she created it in 2015.

 

She has a vague recollection that she may have created the record when setting up MyGov and linked Medicare services.

 

"But it was so long ago that it wasn't anything well described, and I had no idea it was collecting all this data in the meantime," she said.

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If you are taken to emergency after surgery hours, they cannot obtain recors from the surgery.

 

At this stage, only medical people will be abke to access your records.

 

I cannot see insurance companies being given permission to access them  - doesn't worry me if they do as 

I have nothing to hide.

 

I am in my 70's so employees etc aren't interested in me.

 

You can ot out so it's nothing like the Australian Card they wee trying to install once.

 

I have a chronic condition and they say it is a good idea to have the details on line.

 

Like stawka, there's nothing yet to make me opt out.  As my doctor said yesterday, he doesn't know what all the hype

is about.

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yep same here Sandy 

 

i like the idea nothing to hide here and the more info the Doc's have the better if we are taken ill

 

or in an accident 

 

insurance ....well they find out everything when you cark it anyway looking for ways not to pay out 

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