NBN Rollout

[pct001wine]

From now on monthly Ready for Service lists and other key details will only be  available via the NBN Co sales portal, which isn't open to the  public. Instead the government will issue a weekly progress report  indicating the overall number of premises passed, premises serviceable and  services activated. These national figures will not breakdown the rollout to  specific locations. The figures no longer include areas where construction has  "commenced", as Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull says they "do not  necessarily provide a meaningful indicator of progress".

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/blogs/gadgets-on-the-go/nbn-co-rewrites-rollout-map--wi...

Seems a bit like the weekly reporting of boat arrivals.   Is this the hallmark of this new government - giving us the news they want us to have ?  Where's the transparency ?

[silverfaun]

Whatever happens from here on in has to be better than what that dimwit Conroy tried to do.

He lied every day about the progress & the cost was never evaluated, the rorts were not investigated. The final cost was going to blow out to 90billion or more, but hey folks, you'll still get a very fast broadband under Turnbulls revised plan & anyway, who needs the VFBB in a suburban street? & how much was this suburban VFBB to the home going to cost to hook up to? nobody really knows the full story about this Labor fiasco & probably never will.

The hyperventilating about what's happening now is  sour grapes. Labor was willing to spend whatever it took to get this monolith off the ground, billions & billions was no problem for them & look where that got them, slung out for criminal waste.

[silverfaun]

did you take that with bitter lemon? or just the sour grapes. 

[ca04]

NBN require you to have a deicated power point where they are to install the boxs but they cannot tell people in some houses where they are going to put them untill they arrive to do it  & if no powerpoint on fitting.

In multiunits they get one box & the bodycorp or owner has to have the connection done from there.

If you look at their progress report it listed premises passed & it means just that.

They then started to use the copper wire to pull through the fibre which meant the service was cut before NBN 

was connected. At this point things related to poor survey and attempted fast installation caught up with them.

It was never intended to connect all the people & those on copper not being connected to fibre loose this connection as the copper was to be decommissioned on completion of theNBN. Thes people then had ony the option of WiFi or SAT connection for both internet & phone.

[kennedia_nigricans]

i liked the idea with the ships.

[lakeland27]

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@ca04 wrote:

NBN require you to have a deicated power point where they are to install the boxs but they cannot tell people in some houses where they are going to put them untill they arrive to do it  & if no powerpoint on fitting.

In multiunits they get one box & the bodycorp or owner has to have the connection done from there.

If you look at their progress report it listed premises passed & it means just that.

They then started to use the copper wire to pull through the fibre which meant the service was cut before NBN 

was connected. At this point things related to poor survey and attempted fast installation caught up with them.

It was never intended to connect all the people & those on copper not being connected to fibre loose this connection as the copper was to be decommissioned on completion of theNBN. Thes people then had ony the option of WiFi or SAT connection for both internet & phone.

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 if you have the time to read, the facts are here. http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum/142

the material you have used to get the wrong idea was created as an election wedge, its not correct.

in addition, 'premises passed' is a very important statistic, as the completion of the cable laying for an area is the lions share of the project. its the single most important stat when you consider it reflects the distances covered, which in australia is no small thing.

[freakiness]

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@ca04 wrote:

NBN require you to have a deicated power point where they are to install the boxs but they cannot tell people in some houses where they are going to put them untill they arrive to do it  & if no powerpoint on fitting.

In multiunits they get one box & the bodycorp or owner has to have the connection done from there.

If you look at their progress report it listed premises passed & it means just that.

They then started to use the copper wire to pull through the fibre which meant the service was cut before NBN 

was connected. At this point things related to poor survey and attempted fast installation caught up with them.

It was never intended to connect all the people & those on copper not being connected to fibre loose this connection as the copper was to be decommissioned on completion of theNBN. Thes people then had ony the option of WiFi or SAT connection for both internet & phone.

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You have no idea what you are talking about.

The copper is not cut off some time before NBN is ready to connect.  The people using wireless are very happy with the quality of service and the people using satellite are happy to have an improved service in the interim whilst waiting for the new satellite service to be launched.  

The Turnbull deviation is the one that requires people to pay for their connection from the basement/connection point in MDUs, not the original plan.  

The equipment is installed within 3 metres (I think from memory) of a power supply. They do not randomly select a location and then tell people to get a power socket installed.  You have been listening to too many anti NBN shock jocks.

[freakiness]

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@silverfaun wrote:

Whatever happens from here on in has to be better than what that dimwit Conroy tried to do.

He lied every day about the progress & the cost was never evaluated, the rorts were not investigated. The final cost was going to blow out to 90billion or more, but hey folks, you'll still get a very fast broadband under Turnbulls revised plan & anyway, who needs the VFBB in a suburban street? & how much was this suburban VFBB to the home going to cost to hook up to? nobody really knows the full story about this Labor fiasco & probably never will.

The hyperventilating about what's happening now is  sour grapes. Labor was willing to spend whatever it took to get this monolith off the ground, billions & billions was no problem for them & look where that got them, slung out for criminal waste.

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The project has been regularly scrutinised by Joint Committee and Senate Committee since the beginning.  It was not ever going to cost $90B or more.  No we won't all get very fast broadband under Turnbull's alternative and it will likely cost more to use as the maintenance costs will be much higher.  All those with lousy copper to the premises now will still have the same problems for years to come, until the last mile of copper is replaced as that is the section of the network with issues.

The NBN was a good project, the end result of which would be a valuable network for the future.  The hobbled together bits and pieces that turdbull is wasting money on will be of little value and will have cost a fortune.

[monman12]

FN: "The NBN was a good project, the end result of which would be a valuable network for the future."

So why if it was such a good project was it forced upon the population as a legislated monopoly, and under the original NBN agreement, all Telstra customers on HFC cable had to be switched to fibre,  Testra's copper network was to be (by blackmail)  decommissioned and Optus was forced to shut down its cable operations.

From the first customers in 2010, so far a total of 70,100 premises have been “activated” – about half with fibre and half with satellite and wireless.   Wow!

Finally, from DeLimiter / Renai LeMay  Oct 13, 2013

“The National Broadband Network project has abjectly failed every construction target ever set for it, its rollout has slowed to a deadly slow crawl, and even its founder, former Communications Minister Stephen Conroy, has admitted the previous Labor Government drastically underestimated the amount of work involved in delivering it."

No wonder the ALP legislated it to be a monopoly, and ensured there was no competition.

nɥºɾ

[lakeland27]

http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2013/09/18/3851118.htm

[freakiness]

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@monman12 wrote:

FN: "The NBN was a good project, the end result of which would be a valuable network for the future."

So why if it was such a good project was it forced upon the population as a legislated monopoly, and under the original NBN agreement, all Telstra customers on HFC cable had to be switched to fibre,  Testra's copper network was to be (by blackmail)  decommissioned and Optus was forced to shut down its cable operations.

From the first customers in 2010, so far a total of 70,100 premises have been “activated” – about half with fibre and half with satellite and wireless.   Wow!

Finally, from DeLimiter / Renai LeMay  Oct 13, 2013

“The National Broadband Network project has abjectly failed every construction target ever set for it, its rollout has slowed to a deadly slow crawl, and even its founder, former Communications Minister Stephen Conroy, has admitted the previous Labor Government drastically underestimated the amount of work involved in delivering it."

No wonder the ALP legislated it to be a monopoly, and ensured there was no competition.

nɥºɾ

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How many times is it possible to ask the same questions?

The Telstra deal caused almost 2 years delay. The asbestos issues with Telstra pits caused more delay.  The HFC does not cover all premises within their areas and are not adequate in peak times. They don't have the capacity for expansion to the remainder of premises.  The ubiquity keeps ongoing maintenance and operational costs lower. 

There were valid reasons for the targets not having been met. They had ramped up pre election as planned and expected. Most economists and analysts rate it's performance as fair given the size and scope of the project.

Australia doesn't have the population base for competing infrastructure as demonstrated by the cable wars.