Neville Wran's Daughter Charged With Murder

[icyfroth]

The youngest daughter of the late NSW premier Neville Wran is one of three people allegedly involved in a double stabbing that left one man dead at a notorious inner-Sydney housing commission unit block.

Wran, the goddaughter of Kerry Packer, is studying modern history, her Facebook page says.

It is not yet clear what motivated the stabbings, but it was likely the attackers knew the victims and the violence might have escalated from an argument, police said at the time.

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How sad. That's a long way down for a young person born into a such privileged family.

It's thought to have been over drugs.

[colic2bullsgirlore]

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Prohibition caused it?

I suspect there are many factors that caused it but not prohibition.

No self control............

Personal factors..............

medical conditions........

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So you consider that rather than Wran and her boyfriend going down to their local pharmacy and  procuring

the drugs that floated their boat on the PBS...

... they would have much preferred to find some knives and a balaclava and rip around to a blokes place that they had

already complained to about the poor quality of his product, hold him to ransom and when he did not come across with

the goods then murder him??

.....Huey (the great surf god) give me strength..... addicts much prefer the least line of resistance

.... It does not take much to work out which line that would be

[colic2bullsgirlore]

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@am*3 wrote:
Definition of doctor/prescription shopping

"About prescription shopping Prescription shopping is when patients unknowingly or deliberately obtain more medicines than is medically needed.

This is often done by visiting many doctors, without telling them about their other consultations."

How does that work with controlled drugs. Ones where the Dr has to get authorisation from their State Health authority. If 5 different Drs phone up for authorisation for the same patient for the controlled drugs. They won't get authorisation to prescribe.

If the patient uses false names & addresses.. They would have to have fake medicare cards to match.

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Yesterday i bludged a lift to (S)Macksville with my mate baggy... he had forgotten to get a script for his blood pressure

medicine. He attends http://bawrunga.org.au/ (all of the Drs are new Australians with varying english skills). Luckily the pharmacist knows him so he gave him a box of tablets

anyways but needed the script to complete the paperwork

... while he was there the indian Dr (who speaks very little english) said Targin...  want Targin.. baggy

said oh yes Targin please... he gets in the car and says somnething like (without the expeltives) That Dr is a flip .. he looks at me sniffles a bit and mumbles Targin... 

....he has never taken Targin in his life....

.... but some of our mutual mates bang it up like there is not tomorrow..... He gets home and finds the old scripts and he

still has 2 repeats for Targin

...and that's how easy it is... to get an S8 prescription in my part of the world.....

[colic2bullsgirlore]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-24/students-using-performance-enhancing-drugs-to-boost-averages/5...

Ritalin, a psycho-stimulant normally used by people with ADHD to increase alertness and attention, is the drug of choice.

Students can pick a tablet up for just a few dollars.

One medical student, who does not want to be named, says he takes a Ritalin pill on big study days and also before exams.

"It just allows you to work harder than you normally would," he said.

"It's not performance enhancing in the sense that it makes you smarter on the day and therefore you're getting an advantage on your competitors, but definitely in the sense that you are able to put in more work than you normally would."

Audio: Listen to the story (AM)

He says drug use among students is widespread.

      timp29

10:08 AM on 24/10/2013

I am a medical student and while I haven't tried anything other than caffeine and sugar, I know of students using Ritalin and have read about people using modafinil an anti-narcolepsy drug. While I don't really view using these drugs as cheating as such, I certainly frown upon the way people gain access to these substances, which is almost certainly by illegitimate means.

I guess the other concern is that realistically, you can't take these drugs in a lifelong manner, so really by using them before big exams, while you may get your foot in the door of a certain job, but you are doing yourself a disservice for when it does come to crunch time and you have to perform without the assistance of these substances.

[colic2bullsgirlore]

14 years ago some of the 20% of UNi students that now use Ritalin/stimulants recrreationally were prescribed it.

I understand that just the change in quality of life that Ritalin medication brings from many ADHD sufferers (ie

normality) is euphoric  but for some IMO it leads to dependance especially during the uni years and some never get off

the ride

http://www.mildred.co/issue-68/features/ritalin-rhodes-scholars/

Smart drugs are prescription stimulants like Adderall and Ritalin used to treat Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD) and Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD).

Designed to increase mental focus and productivity, Adderall and Ritalin are being used by approximately 20% of students between 18 and 22 in Australia. 

According to Dr Jason Mazanov from the University of New South Wales study in the Journal of Performance

Enhancement and Health, smart drug use is becoming more prevalent than in the USA where around 16.8% of student

admit to taking 'cognitive enhancers'.

"Australian student's appear to use substances for an immediate effect (to improve concentration) rather than longer

term outcomes (higher marks)." The study shows.

[i-need-a-martini]

Why do you always return to the same (incorrect and misinformed) argument?

1. Ritalin is NOT an addictive drug.
2. Ritalin in the prescriptive doses available in Australia does NOT produce a high.
3. US statistics and Blogs are NOT of relevence to Ritalin use in Australia.

Fot the ASHA/ADD patients there is NO "euphoria" or "ride" that "they never get off". Not only does the drug not work in that way, the doses can never be prescribed high enough.

I will repeat - YOU. DO. NOT. GET. HIGH. FROM. RITALIN. PRESCRIPTION. MEDICATION.

Even the (non-informative) article in the ABC News does not say this. It talks about kids mixing a cocktail of drugs which is an issue.

And even if the taking of Ritalin tablets prior to exams is prevelent in the 18-20year old age group, they are fooling themselves if they think the drug will work on their alertnes/concentration if they do not have ADD. If they do not have ADD there will be absolutely no effect on their brain and they will absolutely feel no different. 

[colic2bullsgirlore]

Point me to the spot where I indicated that ADHD users who took their medication...get a high..... INAM or that the drug correctly monitored and administered is addictive??

The correlations I draw between prescription use when young and the increased chance of abuse as the person gets

older is based on access especially those that may develop different stratagies to cope with the

ADHD but still stockpile the drug.

You crush the/your prescription medicine  and snort it INAM in larger amounts it's called drug abuse.

Typically 3 40mg tablets snorted repetitively over a 24 hr period at periods dependant on tsaid snorters tolerance.

IV injection gives the quickest fastest most economical hit

Drug abuse sometimes leads to addiction whatever the drug especially if that persons brain wiring is predisposed to

addiction

Does anybody remember when some scientists/medical researchers and the media funded by the Tobacco companies

tried to convince the general public and drug control authorities that Tobacco and Nicotene was good for us??

Have a look at the scientific research that they produced to back themselves up..1940's to the late 70's ie that it wasn't

addictive or an obvious health risk had many health benefits and was accepted by society ie it was "coooool"

You're right INAM I think those Uni students are fooling themselves... with a little help from the media and "researchers"

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0028416

Background The use of prescription drugs to improve cognitive functioning in normal persons –“neuroenhancement” – has gained recent attention from bioethicists and neuroscientists.

Enthusiasts claim that the practice is widespread and increasing, and has many potential benefits; however recent evidence provides weak support for these claims. In this study we explored how the newsprint media portrays neuroenhancement.

Aims We conducted an empirical study of media reporting of neuroenhancement to explore: media portrayals of the prevalence of neuroenhancement; the types of evidence used by the media to support claims about its prevalence; and, the possible benefits and risks of neuroenhancement mentioned in these media articles.

Methods Using the Factiva database, we found 142 newspaper articles about the non-medical use prescription drugs for neuroenhancement for the period 2008-2010.

We conducted a thematic content analysis of how articles portrayed the prevalence of neuroenhancement; what type of evidence they used in support; and, the potential benefits and risks/side-effects of neuroenhancement that were mentioned.

Results 87% of media articles mentioned the prevalence of neuroenhancement, and 94% portrayed it as common, increasing or both. 66% referred to the academic literature to support these claims and 44% either named an author or a journal. 95% of articles mentioned at least one possible benefit of using prescription drugs for neuroenhancement, but only 58% mentioned any risks/side effects. 15% questioned the evidence for efficacy of prescription drugs to produce benefits to users.

Conclusions: News media articles mentioned the possible benefits of using drugs for neuroenhancement more than the potential risks/side effects, and the main source for media claims that neuroenhancement is common and increasingly widespread has been reports from the academic literature that provide weak support for this claim.

We urge journalists and researchers to be cautious in their portrayal of the non-medical use of drugs for neuroenhance

[azureline**]

IWords fail me...............

[i-need-a-martini]

You want me to point to where you said "that ADHD users who took their medication...get a high". How about this bit:

I understand that just the change in quality of life that Ritalin medication brings from many ADHD sufferers (ie

 normality) is euphoric  but for some IMO it leads to dependance especially during the uni years and some never get off the ride

And where is the proof of this:

Typically 3 40mg tablets snorted repetitively over a 24 hr period at periods dependant on tsaid snorters tolerance.

And please don't refer me to forums where uni students discuss the various dumb ways they can get high lol.

Before putting my child on this medication, I tested it in in various qty's and so I will repeat - THERE IS NO HIGH to be had. The only research I have found relates to findings that showed that some particpants 'believed' they were feeling the effects as an amphetemine once they hit 200mg and that figure increased markedly at 600mg. But no brain scans were undertaken as part of that research model so the result was scientifically inconclusive.

For the record 600mg is an entire bottle of tablets and I understand it is the maximum available prescription allowable within a 30 day period.

[colic2bullsgirlore]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

You want me to point to where you said "that ADHD users who took their medication...get a high". How about this bit:

I understand that just the change in quality of life that Ritalin medication brings from many ADHD sufferers (ie

 normality) is euphoric  but for some IMO it leads to dependance especially during the uni years and some never get off the ride

And where is the proof of this:

Typically 3 40mg tablets snorted repetitively over a 24 hr period at periods dependant on tsaid snorters tolerance.

And please don't refer me to forums where uni students discuss the various dumb ways they can get high lol.

Before putting my child on this medication, I tested it in in various qty's and so I will repeat - THERE IS NO HIGH to be had. The only research I have found relates to findings that showed that some particpants 'believed' they were feeling the effects as an amphetemine once they hit 200mg and that figure increased markedly at 600mg. But no brain scans were undertaken as part of that research model so the result was scientifically inconclusive.

For the record 600mg is an entire bottle of tablets and I understand it is the maximum available prescription allowable within a 30 day period.

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You do not seem to agree that the change in the quality of life or the behaviour of a correctly medicated ADHD sufferer

could be described as euphoric but prefer to equate that word to  a drug high??

euphoric

1. characterized by or feeling intense excitement and happiness.

INAM I believe you are in complete denial

I won't refer you anywhere but leave you to your guarded little world

Tyhis this large disclaimer found on this ritalin side effects site is telling, but no need to tell me again........ ... Ohh the ritalin have in America is a different Ritalin to the drug they use in Australia.

http://ritalinsideeffects.net/   WARNING

RITALIN-SR IS A FEDERALLY CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE (CII) BECAUSE IT CAN BE ABUSED OR LEAD TO DEPENDENCE.

KEEP RITALIN-SR IN A SAFE PLACE TO PREVENT MISUSE AND ABUSE. SELLING OR GIVING AWAY RITALIN-SR MAY HARM OTHERS, AND IS AGAINST THE LAW.

TELL YOUR DOCTOR IF YOU OR YOUR CHILD HAVE (OR HAVE A FAMILY HISTORY OF) EVER ABUSED OR BEEN DEPENDENT ON ALCOHOL, PRESCRIPTION MEDICINES OR STREET DRUGS

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So for some ( I will underline that word some as you seem to have forgotten too above) not only ADHD the brain

disorder is a problem but also Addiction the brain disease.

Thr proof is in the pudding if Ritalin was not abused there would be no need for tamper/abuse resistant forms of the drug

Are there tamper resistant froms of Ritalin?

Concerta

WARNING: DRUG DEPENDENCE

Concerta® should be given cautiously to patients with a history of drug dependence or alcoholism.

Chronic abusive use can lead to marked tolerance and psychological dependence with varying degrees of abnormal behavior.

Frank psychotic episodes can occur, especially with parenteral abuse.

Careful supervision is required during withdrawal from abusive use since severe depression may occur.

Withdrawal following chronic therapeutic use may unmask symptoms of the underlying disorder that may require follow-up.

Nup ^^^^ can't see any signs that they drug may be a trigger for dependancy or addiction

[i-need-a-martini]

Firstly, your intent by using the word "euphoric" was fairly clear given the rest of the sentence. If that intention was not there, then it is an odd choice of word to use given the context of this debate.

Secondly, the 'warning' you quoted (which is on the US production and issued by the FDA and not Australia) has been taken out of context. Not to mention that your link is from an anti pharmaceutical blog. The warnings relate to a list of contraindications that warn users that taking Ritalin in conjunction with other medications and conditions could lead to varying problems. But to put that in context, even panadol has a longer list of side effects noted and they are for absolute contraindications!

The warnings also state that: Methylphenidate abuse or dependence does not appear to be a problem in adolescents or adults who were treated with methylphenidate for ADHD as children. 

In regards to adults it states that chronic abuse can lead to psychological dependemce with varying degrees of abnormal behaviour.

The only precaution is for those with heart problems. However, the FDA has recently issued as statement saying that new studies show this not to be the case either and are in the process of archiving their initial warnings.