Neville Wran's Daughter Charged With Murder

The youngest daughter of the late NSW premier Neville Wran is one of three people allegedly involved in a double stabbing that left one man dead at a notorious inner-Sydney housing commission unit block.

 

Wran, the goddaughter of Kerry Packer, is studying modern history, her Facebook page says.

 

It is not yet clear what motivated the stabbings, but it was likely the attackers knew the victims and the violence might have escalated from an argument, police said at the time.

 

Entire Article Here

 

How sad. That's a long way down for a young person born into a such privileged family.

 

It's thought to have been over drugs.

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this was an interesting thread until it was taken off topic by certain posters. .......as usual
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@colic2bullsgirlore wrote:

Am3 you seem to have this thing re defending doctors.

 

You prefer to believe that addicts are in the main procuring their prescription drugs from Silk Road for 20 bucks a pill on the internet rather than obtaining a box (oxycodone) for $6.90 on the PBS in their main street.

 

You use the excuses below that a Doctor would not risk their career for such small recompense......

 

The fact is the definition of prescription/doctor shopping is that typically the Dr. is fooled

 

ie they don't realize they are overprescribing (basically the patients lie) which renders your "ah they wouldnt do that for

 

30 bucks" excuse for what it is.... blind faith

 

 

You managed to find a (no responsibility) disclaimer in the students thesis... but in the next post you decided to quote

 

from the same because it suited your position.

 

 

http://www.medicareaustralia.gov.au/provider/pbs/prescription-shopping/

 

Definition of doctor/prescription shopping

 

About prescription shopping Prescription shopping is when patients unknowingly or deliberately obtain more medicines than is medically needed.

 

This is often done by visiting many doctors, without telling them about their other consultations.

 

Am3 quotes

 

"Doctors are risking their careers IF they prescribe controlled drugs to those not entitled to them. Because of the authorisations required, it would be picked up if they are prescribing excessive amounts of any controlled drugs."

 

"There is no financial gain to a Dr to jump through the hoops to prescribe a controlled drug to a patient who is not entitled to it. Why would a doctor knowingly do that and risk their career?"

 

"Perhaps the Medicare fee for the patient visit?? $30?? Not worth breaking the law over."

 

Mid North Coast health service link and copy and paste below

 

http://www.nps.org.au/health-professionals/health-news-evidence/2014/tamper-proof-oxycodone

 

What are current prescribing patterns?

 

In another study using 2010/11 data, about 44% of GPs' opioid prescriptions were for chronic non-cancer conditions. Only 3.5% of opioids were prescribed for pain caused by cancer, and the remainder (more than half) were presumably for acute conditions.

 

Most prescriptions (58.2%) were for musculoskeletal problems, with back problems accounting for 27%. Osteoarthritis accounted for 9.7% and generalised multi-site pain for 6.6%.

 

Considered prescribing is key Although reformulated oxycodone may push opioid abusers to look for alternatives, the evidence so far from the USA suggests it will not reduce opioid abuse in total.

 

There is scope for better adherence to guidelines:

 

A recent survey found none of the 404 NSW GPs responding was compliant with all the local health district guidelines, and fewer than one third 'usually employed' most guideline items.

 

Concordance with guidelines was lowest for strategies designed to reduce abuse, such as the management of aberrant behaviours.

 

Only 16% reported often contacting the prescription shopping information service in the last 2 years when concerned about aberrant opioid behaviors.

 

While an abuse-deterrent oxycodone formulation is now available, GPs can reduce the potential for abuse even more by adhering to prescribing guidelines.

 

Anyways I still go back to my original comment

 

Prohibition caused Mcnultys death and Wran and her boyfriends impending incarceration...... and many many others.

 

many of the addicrts have already made the switch...society just needs to catch up with them.

 

Controlled supply (not like the uncontrolled legal supply that is evidenced by my posts above) is the key to addiction

 

and the panacea to the social rot that it fathers with the offer of education counselling and harm minimization

 

techniques


Prohibition caused it?

I suspect there are many factors that caused it but not prohibition.

No self control............

Personal factors..............

medical conditions........

 

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Collic wrote:Am3 you seem to have this thing re defending doctors.

You prefer to believe that addicts are in the main procuring their prescription drugs from Silk Road for 20 bucks a pill on the internet rather than obtaining a box (oxycodone) for $6.90 on the PBS in their main street.

You use the excuses below that a Doctor would not risk their career for such small recompense......

The fact is the definition of prescription/doctor shopping is that typically the Dr. is fooled

ie they don't realize they are overprescribing (basically the patients lie) which renders your "ah they wouldnt do that for

30 bucks" excuse for what it is.... blind faith"

You managed to find a (no responsibility) disclaimer in the students thesis... but in the next post you decided to quote

from the same because it suited your position."

Why sholudn't I defend the Drs..the majority of them are not 'fooled' . I don't have to agree with your view.
As I posted earlier the new medical clinic here wont prescribe drugs the addicts seek to ANYONE at all.

The student research paper said 'NEW' Doctors might be fooled by drug addicts and suggests their training needs to specifically address this issue. There are more experienced Doctors in practice than those just qualified.
There could be as I already posted a few 'rogue' Drs that will prescribe to drug addicts. That leaves a lot of Doctors who wont.

You said ritalin was easy to get from a Dr. It is not, as martini posted and I posted info that shows the contrary.

You asked where people can get illicit prescription drugs from if not from. Dr. I replied with . From websites, which is a valid reply.
"The vast majority of listings are for drugs: prescription opiates like Oxycontin and anti-depressants, steroids like Somatropin, and street drugs" (quality products at an affordable price). Not $20 a pill. They can buy more than they need Oseas and sell to others here for a profit.

People Dr shopping have to travel hours away from the area they live-in ( because they become known at Medical Centres in their home area).


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Alcohol caused the death of 2 young Sydney men king hit buy intoxicated male thugs then Alcohol is not prohibited.
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@harley_babes_hoard wrote:
this was an interesting thread until it was taken off topic by certain posters. .......as usual

You mean you found gossip about high profile murder interesting, while in depth discussion about drugs, which were behind this murder boring?

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Definition of doctor/prescription shopping

"About prescription shopping Prescription shopping is when patients unknowingly or deliberately obtain more medicines than is medically needed.

This is often done by visiting many doctors, without telling them about their other consultations."

How does that work with controlled drugs. Ones where the Dr has to get authorisation from their State Health authority. If 5 different Drs phone up for authorisation for the same patient for the controlled drugs. They won't get authorisation to prescribe.

If the patient uses false names & addresses.. They would have to have fake medicare cards to match.
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Yes actually, Others peoples views on the subject. Not the cut and paste rubbish that anyone can google if they are so interested. The article only spoke about ice.

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@harley_babes_hoard wrote:

Yes actually, Others peoples views on the subject. Not the cut and paste rubbish that anyone can google if they are so interested. The article only spoke about ice.




 

 

The article spoke about murder, addiction and ice.................. Your contribution to the thread so far has not involved

 

your view on the subject.. in fact the only view you have professed is your now waning interest in the thread........

 

which beggars the question... Why are you still reading??

 

You have not commented in the thread re the subject matter pre your complaint.

 

Others give their opinion but you do not reciprocate..... why is that???

 

I however can tell you why I am still posting

 

............... this is one of the places I like to garner lol/matriarchal opinions............

 

You lot never disappoint

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

@colic2bullsgirlore wrote:

I won't put a copy and paste up from this site

 

..... just look what is being discussed by self medicating Australians......

 

 

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/576023-Ritalin-or-Dexamphetamine-better

 

 


These are uni students discussing depression on a drug sharing forum.

 

OP asked he/r psychiatrist for Ritalin/dex and he is putting he/r off.

 

What is your point? And how does it connect to the crux of this discussion - that Ritalin is overprescribed to children and leads to drug addiction in adults?





 

You asked......from the same thread... little kids grow up and make their own decisions re what to do with their

 

prescription medicine.... The point of introduction occurs under heavy parent control and ends up ....in some cases....

 

with the risk taking bevaviours highlighted below

 

 

02-07-2011 23:26

 

Which is better? Hard question to answer, for your purposes I'd think heavily in terms of duration and consider extended release options if anything.

 

Recreationally I find ritalin FARRRR superior to dex. And I've been prescribed rits for years now.

 

 

Study wise, I think ritalin can be to much fun, and find amphetamines to be better suited as I like to go on all night study benders.

 

Ritalin seems to have a smaller long term side effect profile and in my experience causes less dopamine down regulation than the 'phets. I find ritalin to have a more intense effect on mood, but dex keeps you fair happy all day rather than a couple hours. Dont be self medicating with caffine as that is likely to screw with your anxiety. The pseudo is also not the best idea. If your pysche thinks either of these stims could help you, they will likely choose one that they believe has a lesser impact anxiety wise. If that happens to be ritalin, for your purposes I'd ask and push for the extended release variant (concerta) as I think ritalin IR is farrrrrrrrrrrrrr to addictive to hand out to someone un-experienced with prescription stims.

 

 

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http://indymedia.org.au/2012/06/20/dexamphetamine-and-adhd-cons-mental-health-policies-must-move-fro...

 

 

By 2002 WA prescription rates were amongst the highest in the world, exceeding the US national average.

 

WA prescribing rates continued to grow until the introduction of tighter ADHD amphetamine prescribing accountability measures in late 2003.

 

Since then child prescribing rates in WA have fallen significantly with 5,666 children on stimulants in 2008.

 

Simultaneously amphetamine abuse rates by West Australian teenagers fell approximately 51%.

 

 

http://www.erowid.org/

 

 

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