Not appropriate for children to go to the zoo

[lurker172602]

Day trips for children in detention run by Catholic Nuns have been banned and deemed 'not appropriate' by the Immigration Department & Peter Dutton.

Day trips were led for the last 4 years by Sister Brigid Arthur, 81, of the Brigidine Sisters.

"[We'd] go to the Collingwood Children's Farm, go to the zoo occasionally, out to adventure playgrounds," Sister Brigid told 774 ABC Melbourne's Jon Faine. "Anything that actually can entertain the kids and give them some stimulation."

Sister Brigid said the program had been suspended by the ABF, which said it was "under review".

"We haven't actually been able to resume it, so presumably the review has ... had a negative outcome," Sister Brigid said

full article here

#notinmyname

[bluecat*dancing]

She-ele, who knows what those sheep and goats and the Collingwood Children's Farm could get up to.

I used to take my kids there when they were little. It came into existence so that kids who otherwise would never get to see farm animals could do so. An inner city oasis for kids.

[*pepe]

Just maybe there really is no nefarious reason for these particular excursions to be stopped and they simply just don't meet guidelines and regulations.

Not everything has a hidden agenda.

[lyndal1838]

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@bluecat*riverdancing wrote:

I don't think you know how it works. There are already asylum seeker families in the community under the Community Detention Scheme. There are no cans of worms to be opened. There are alternatives to prison like detention centres and Dutton needs to let it go. He still has the Nauru Refugees, Christmas Island Asylum Seekers and the men on Manus for he and his "security squad" to play with.

You should be more worried about the violent crims that are given inadequate sentnces and then let back into society and go onto to brutally kill 

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No, I didn't know how it was going to work, which was why I asked.

What exactly have the failures of our Courts to do with asylum seekers children being housed in the community?  And where have I said that I am worried about asylum seekers in the community?  By the way, if they are in detention centres they have entered the country illegally so I don't think it is unreasonable to have some restrictions on them.

What I don't understand is why it takes so long to process them...that is very unreasonable.

[bluecat*dancing]

That is the $64,000 question. Why is it taking so long? All it took was an impending court case for Nauru to process the asylum seekers within a matter of days. Funny that. If Nauru can do it with those that we sent there, then why can't we do the same for those who are here.

Also, they did not arrive here illegally. It is not illegal to seek asylum no matter if they arrive by plane, boat or flying saucer. If they were not seeking asylum, then that would be different, then they would be here illegally which is why those not granted refugee status are deported.

My analogy in regards to known dangerous criminals being let loose in the community was probably a bit clunky.

[lilbudgie]

No it's not illegal to apply for asylum , but it is illegal  to enter the country with proper authority , so till asylum is granted they are illegally  in the country , once their claim is processed and if they are granted asylum they are released into the community if not they are either deported or if they appeal they remain in custody. That's the way it is that's the way it should be

[cezm]

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@lloydslights wrote:

Just as for any school, day care centre, etc  there are rules and procedures for such outings, as we as parents/grandparents/carers would expect.

http://www.education.vic.gov.au/Documents/childhood/providers/regulation/pracnotesexcursions.pdf

Even the 81 year old Sister Brigid mentioned "amazingly (definition:great surprise, astonishing, wonder) free from any incident".  

DEB

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I'm pretty sure they are not a licensed children's service, which now sit under the National Law not the previous State-based legislation

[punch*drunk]

"There were reports about some activities that were being undertaken by the nuns and the other members of the program where the levels of supervision for those activities weren't to the standard that I was comfortable with," he said.

Is no one concerned about the safety of children who are not adequately supervised? We all know there's plenty of nutcases out there, if a school or creche took kids on an outing without the mandated number of supervising adults there would be uproar.

[lurker172602]

That would depend on whether he is referring to levels of supervision required for regular children's activities or for inmates of a locked institution.   I don't think that is made clear.

And I also think it is a little unfair to suggest that posters are not concerned about the safety of the children.  That is precisely why I raised the topic in the first place.  

[chuk_77]

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@lloydslights wrote:

Just as for any school, day care centre, etc  there are rules and procedures for such outings, as we as parents/grandparents/carers would expect.

http://www.education.vic.gov.au/Documents/childhood/providers/regulation/pracnotesexcursions.pdf

Even the 81 year old Sister Brigid mentioned "amazingly (definition:great surprise, astonishing, wonder) free from any incident".  

DEB

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that link is for licenced services. detention isnt a licenced service

[bluecat*dancing]

The thing is that the children have been more than adequately supervised.  The requirements were all met and authorisation given. I don't think that Mr Dutton and his Border Force would be happy unless the children and their families were chained together with one gun-toting security guard per person. Hardly an incentive to assimilate with this kind of militarised treatment, now, is it? A little kindness can go a long way, especially when it comes to children. I think its sad.