on 08-05-2014 11:21 AM
on 09-05-2014 07:48 AM
I love the never ending carry on and total lack of any knowledge on this diesel fuel rebate
The diesel fuel rebate paid to farmers, miners, fishermen and foresters is for diesel that is used off-road.
It is the fuel tax component for road construction and maintenance that is being refunded to industry.
Those industries are not benefiting from road construction for that portion of fuel used off-road - for example a farmer using diesel sowing and harvesting crops. When the farm truck swings onto a road to haul grain to a grain facility in town, the diesel used in that component of the business is taxed as the truck is impacting on a gazetted road.
on 09-05-2014 07:57 AM
Your super funds and millions of Australians super will be very pleased that BHP has made such a great profit All super funds in Australia will have large share holdings in BHP and other low risk and high performing companies and a healthy profit means a healthy dividend to their share holders (super funds and others) and by the super funds getting a good return for you their members you benefit with a good return to your super account.
No profit from these companies = no pay out to your super funds = no superannuation
So I am very pleased that these companies make excellent profits and give a health return to the share holders and it makes my superannuation look very good
on 09-05-2014 07:57 AM
BHP, Rio & Xstrata are not farmers
09-05-2014 08:00 AM - edited 09-05-2014 08:04 AM
@debra9275 wrote:BHP, Rio & Xstrata are not farmers
as you appear to have missed the second line in my post here it is again
The diesel fuel rebate paid to farmers, miners, fishermen and foresters is for diesel that is used off-road.
and the third line
It is the fuel tax component for road construction and maintenance that is being refunded to industry.
These people are simply receiving the road tax part of the fuel back as they are NOT using roads
How hard is that to understand
Please also read monman12 post at #25 as that may help you as well 🙂 as the mining only makes up 40% of this rebate.....
on 09-05-2014 08:08 AM
In response to Nero Wolf
Oh I understand full why the rebate was introduced.
But the road argument appears to have a few potholes in it, the main one being, it’s only valid if the excise was used exclusively for road funding, which it is not.
Also your first post seems to contradict the second. In the first post you appear to accept the fuel excise is also used to fund other things (hospital welfare etc), and if we want them we should be prepared to pay for them, with an increase in the excise being one way to do it, but then in your second post you seem to be saying that mining companies etc should be excluded from contributing to that funding by retention of the rebate.
on 09-05-2014 09:12 AM
@nero_wulf wrote:
@debra9275 wrote:BHP, Rio & Xstrata are not farmers
as you appear to have missed the second line in my post here it is again
The diesel fuel rebate paid to farmers, miners, fishermen and foresters is for diesel that is used off-road.
and the third line
It is the fuel tax component for road construction and maintenance that is being refunded to industry.
These people are simply receiving the road tax part of the fuel back as they are NOT using roads
How hard is that to understand
Please also read monman12 post at #25 as that may help you as well 🙂 as the mining only makes up 40% of this rebate.....
Incorrect.
You are specifically talking about diesel but there are many other petrol/fuel rebates (such as the Cleaner Fuel Grants for one).
But even with the generous diesel rebates, the majority of industries can still claim public road rebates. Mining, construction and forestry are the big ones. For example, if a logging business can prove that moving logged trees from forest to mill (even though it is travelling thousands of kilometres on a public road) is part of the business of 'forestry' then they can claim the rebate.
It's all there in the ATO guidleines.
on 09-05-2014 09:13 AM
well there you go????????????? so much spin, i see now why hockit is always sweating......
The petrol shock in the budget appears to explain an ominous prediction made to Fairfax Media this week by a federal minister, who said the controversial deficit levy would be "one of the more popular" aspects of next Tuesday's economic statement.
Treasurer Joe Hockey said this week he believed the government was not breaking promises on tax because it had taken a plan to the election to increase taxes on companies to fund its paid parental leave scheme.
"We went to the last election promising to introduce a levy for PPL, so claims that we said we would never introduce new taxes are just wrong," he said.
on 09-05-2014 09:13 AM
Either way, this is besides the point.
And the point is that the average person is being slugged and they have NO chance of getting rebates or grants to help them out.
on 09-05-2014 09:24 AM
@boris1gary wrote:well there you go????????????? so much spin, i see now why hockit is always sweating......
The petrol shock in the budget appears to explain an ominous prediction made to Fairfax Media this week by a federal minister, who said the controver
sial deficit levy would be "one of the more popular" aspects of next Tuesday's economic statement.
Treasurer Joe Hockey said this week he believed the government was not breaking promises on tax because it had taken a plan to the election to increase taxes on companies to fund its paid parental leave scheme.
"We went to the last election promising to introduce a levy for PPL, so claims that we said we would never introduce new taxes are just wrong," he said.
on 09-05-2014 02:20 PM
a collection of quotes from the PM, the current one.....look into my eyes, look into my eyes there are lots more
http://theaimn.com/2014/05/09/trust-me/
January 31,2013 “So my pledge to you is that I won’t say one thing before an election and do the opposite afterwards because fibbing your way into office is what’s brought our public life into disrepute.”
August 25, 2013 “We will be a no-surprises, no-excuses government, because you are sick of nasty surprises and lame excuses from people that you have trusted with your future.”
October 28, 2010 : “We stand for lower, simpler, fairer taxes, not great big new taxes that damage Australia’s economy, not great big new taxes that are yet another hit on the cost of living of struggling Australian families.”
January 2011: “Why should the Australian people be hit with a levy to meet expenses which a competent, adult, prudent government should be able to cover from the ordinary revenues of government?”
February 10, 2011: “The one thing that [people] will never have to suffer under a Coalition government is an unnecessary new tax, a tax that could easily be replaced by savings found from the budget.”
February 23, 2011: “We honour the victims of the floods by being a competent parliament and a competent government. We do not honour them by imposing an unnecessary new tax.”
May 12 2011: “People can be confident that spending, debt and taxes will always be lower under a Coalition government because we have the record to prove it.”
August 16, 2011: “A very clear message is going out from the Australian people to this government: there can be no tax collection without an election. If this government had any honesty, any decency, that is what we would have: an election now.”
August 16, 2011: “There is one fundamental message that we want to go out from this place to every nook and cranny of our country: There should be no new tax collection without an election.”
August 22, 2011: “I have often said, and members of this House will no doubt hear me say it again, there should be no new tax collection without an election,”
September 14, 2011: “I say to this Prime Minister: There should be no new tax collection without an election.”
November 23, 2011: “This government thinks that somehow you can build prosperity with new taxes. No country ever got rich by increasing taxation. No country ever built a strong economy by clobbering itself with tax after tax after tax.”
November 24, 2011: “Our objective can be stated quite simply and quite clearly. It is lower taxes, better services, more opportunities to work and, above all else, stronger borders.”
March 14, 2012: “What you’ll get under us are tax cuts without new taxes,”
May 10, 2012: people who work hard should not be “hit with higher taxes“.
September 19, 2012: “The time for big-spending, big-taxing, big-fibbing government has gone. We will give the Australian people the decent government they deserve.”
January 2013: “And when this government claims that its attacking middle class welfare, its just attacking the middle class because the family tax benefit and the private health insurance rebate are tax justice for families, not handouts.