On the last possible day

[j*oono]

It was tabled late on Wednesday night - the last possible day it could be tabled - after being handed to the Abbott government on November 11.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/hundreds-of-children-abused-in-detention-repor...

[karliandjacko]

She did so acknowledge that the numbers of children in detention have been reduced. She commended the govt for it's efforts to improve that situation.

[vicr3000]

Commended with a limp wrist and a wet rag !

[karliandjacko]

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@vicr3000 wrote:

Commended with a limp wrist and a wet rag !

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It's obvious that you have not read the report and did not see Triggs' speech.

[karliandjacko]

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@j*oono wrote:

Who has a lack of empathy.  Abbott has had that report for three months and has done nothing but hide it and now he says that the Australian Human Rights commission should be ashamed of itself?

Good old Tony.  Attack has always been his form of defence.

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What a stupid lie that it to claim SHY lacks empathy about the issue.  She has always been an advocate speaking against children in detention.  

The most blatant lie is that which claims any of the actions to punish asylum seekers were to save people from drowning.  It's BS regardless of who says it. 

[vicr3000]

Done both thanks.

It was PARTLY in jest.

[monman12]

"The most blatant lie is that which claims any of the actions to punish asylum seekers were to save people from drowning.  It's BS regardless of who says it. "

I will say it then:

I would assert that if making asylum seekers accountable for their actions when they were deemed,  ( both political parties) to have arrived illegally by detaining them off-shore, had the effect of reducing/ending deaths at sea, the actions were laudable.

Dr Sev Ozdowski OAM Australian Human Rights Commissioner (2000-05)

Between 2002 and 2004 I as the Australian Human Rights Commissioner have conducted the first inquiry that resulted in a report ‘A Last Resort? National Inquiry into Children in Immigration Detention’   tabled in Parliament on the Budget day 2004. This report found that the mandatory immigration detention of children was fundamentally inconsistent with Australia’s international human rights obligations and that detention for long periods created a high risk of serious mental harm. In response the Howard Government released all children and their families from immigration detention few months later.

Certainly the repetition of my inquiry is the highest form of flattery but timing is very odd.

When the boats were arriving in large numbers and Labor was at its peak of cruelty towards the boat arrivals AHRC almost did not see the problem and the newly appointed Children Rights Commissioner was proclaiming that her jurisdiction is limited to domestic matters.

It would be interesting to learn what AHRC jurisdiction is over Manus and Nauru. Also, how its findings will add to the 2004 report’s findings and recommendations. Let’s hope the inquiry is not only a political exercise in consciousness raising but that it will bring a permanent end to the long term immigration detention of children.

It is a political exercise,  (both sides)  and it is compounded by Trigg's apparent partiality at the second hearing (and false statements as the hearing chair???) and the fact that she did not comprehend , back then,  what it meant when the solicitor-general told her she had no jurisdiction outside Australia.

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[vicr3000]

Monman

It seems that a few good people are questioning her timing.

Good on him for speaking out and saying the timing was odd.

What is interesting is that Trigg was told she has no juristiction Overseas

so maybe someone should tell her to "butt out".

I wonder if the Gov't can stop her actually attending / visiting Manus Island and other places.

[the_great_she_elephant]

Just a thought and not directed at anyone in particular: while we are patting ourselves on the back and congratulating ourselves on stopping the boats, stopping the drownings and reducing the number of children in detention, have we given any thought at all to what may have happened to all those people - children included -  who are no longer able to reach Australia? Have we actually saved them? Are they all living happily ever after in their country of origin? Or are many of them - maybe far more than would ever have drowned at sea - now dead, in prison or still suffering the persecution from which they would have fled.? And do we care, or is it simply a matter of out of sight, out of mind?  

[vicr3000]

Stuck in Indonesia or India or never left home.

Some would have gone home from the two countries above.

No one has been saved, except those who would have drowned.

It is a world wide problem Europe is coping it big time, especially because of their open borders policy.

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Eventually, once it all dies down, hopefully the Govt will raise the numbers allowed.

The problem I see is that the "other side" is push, push push and it doesn't matter how many they increase it by,

it won't be enough in their eyes. Their is never credit where credit is due, hence the the UN HRC gets short shifted

and not listened to, which is how they should be handled until their attitude changes.

[i-need-a-martini]

What I have found really disturbing today is the aggression that Abbott has shown in his attack of the HRC. And not once did he acknowledge the findings - that children in detention are unsafe. Instead he talked around the real issue whilst putting the blame wholly at Labors feet.

And in regards to it being a political stunt - the report does not excuse the Labor Govt at all. It places the blame at both.

But the big difference is that under Labor, children (and their families) at least had light at the end of the tunnel. Now these people - these children! - have no chance of being assimilated into Australia and no hope of getting out of their prison. No wonder self-harm is such a big problem.