One positive aspect of the contagion

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As we are not allowing any migrants to arrive  ,

Every two weeks that the coronavirus contagion is active means up to 32,000  jobs available to existing locals compared with availability last year,  so over time may usher in a new golden age of fuller employment for the existing labour force including the newly minted former dsp recipients ( With a little formal fast-tracked upskilling and toughening up )   

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@*kazumi* wrote:

Most of the unemployed are not qualified for those jobs that migrants are doing.  Most Australians are not going to cope with the farm work done by backpackers either.  There is also going to be a big problem with accommodation for farm workers; you will not be able to pack 25 people into 3 bedroom shack. 

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So up to 64,000 elite job positions per month are taken by new arrivals because we are to bogan for higher education in enough numbers ? for some reason I find that hard to believe , while accepting that some job positions may require recruitment from overseas 

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-12/burnie-seasonal-worker-accommodation-concern-from-union/11959...

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@icyfroth wrote:

Maybe Gary didn't want to be a Neurosurgeon.

Maybe he would have been happy as car wash attendant or a fence post digger.

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And you really think that people would not raher hire somebody local than somebody with limited English; but then again I imagine Gary's English is pretty limited too............

If people hire migrant in preference to local that is because they cannot get locals with the same qualifications or work ethics.  And considering that every migrant actually creates couple of jobs, the whole argument is moot. 

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@*kazumi* wrote:

Most of the unemployed are not qualified for those jobs that migrants are doing.  Most Australians are not going to cope with the farm work done by backpackers either.  There is also going to be a big problem with accommodation for farm workers; you will not be able to pack 25 people into 3 bedroom shack. 

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So up to 64,000 elite job positions per month are taken by new arrivals because we are to bogan for higher education in enough numbers ? for some reason I find that hard to believe , while accepting that some job positions may require recruitment from overseas 

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Thing is...the bogan positions are being taken up the the bogan immigrants as well. So no hope for the bogan Aussies except welfare,drugs and alcohol.

Like... what percentage of immigrants are neurosurgeons, do you know?

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@*kazumi* wrote:

Most of the unemployed are not qualified for those jobs that migrants are doing.  Most Australians are not going to cope with the farm work done by backpackers either.  There is also going to be a big problem with accommodation for farm workers; you will not be able to pack 25 people into 3 bedroom shack. 

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So up to 64,000 elite job positions per month are taken by new arrivals because we are to bogan for higher education in enough numbers ? for some reason I find that hard to believe , while accepting that some job positions may require recruitment from overseas 

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Thing is...the bogan positions are being taken up the the bogan immigrants as well. So no hope for the bogan Aussies except welfare,drugs and alcohol.

Like... what percentage of immigrants are neurosurgeons, do you know?

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How many qualified ppl do we need when we're crying out for tradies and farm labourers?

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@*kazumi* wrote:

Most of the unemployed are not qualified for those jobs that migrants are doing.  Most Australians are not going to cope with the farm work done by backpackers either.  There is also going to be a big problem with accommodation for farm workers; you will not be able to pack 25 people into 3 bedroom shack. 

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So up to 64,000 elite job positions per month are taken by new arrivals because we are to bogan for higher education in enough numbers ? for some reason I find that hard to believe , while accepting that some job positions may require recruitment from overseas 

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Thing is...the bogan positions are being taken up the the bogan immigrants as well. So no hope for the bogan Aussies except welfare,drugs and alcohol.

Like... what percentage of immigrants are neurosurgeons, do you know?

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I agree , is the Australian made here cringe ... new arrivals have no public image , so less issues to deal with , so in some environments have intrinsic higer approval 

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Accommodation issue ? - if not suited to Australian citizens should not be sanctioned for foreigners  

Is a matter of supplying 2 room modular flats with varadah - the fruit picker living conditions for itinerants is often 3rd world disgraceful 

and say 4 local trogs can do the work of one gun picker - sure a quarter of the earnings but topped up with job seeker payments  without deductions during this crisis - and who knows maybe by the end such generational umemployable might surprise themselves and everyone else with an acquired fitness and skills  

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Absolutely, but now the people also supposed to practice social distancing.  So actually, somebody will be enforcing laws regardless where the workers come from.  


About 50 years ago I went with a friend fruit picking.  We saw on TV stories about all these people who went fruit picking and lived in the farmhouse, and the lovely Italians fed them wonderful home made spaghetti etc.  Well the farmer who picked us was Italian, he took us to a field, where already old swaggy was picking tomatoes.  He pointed at tiny corrugated iron shack with no doors and only ONE metal bed FRAME.  Told us that is where we can sleep sharing with the old man, and when we asked where can we shower he pointed at he irrigation channel.  We stayed about 2 hours, picked about 20c worth of tomatoes, I got hives from the plants, and sunburned my arms (I do not normally get burned).  So we hitchhiked back to town. 

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@icyfroth wrote:

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Thing is...the bogan positions are being taken up the the bogan immigrants as well. So no hope for the bogan Aussies except welfare,drugs and alcohol.

Like... what percentage of immigrants are neurosurgeons, do you know?

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There are no bogan migrants; there are some refugees without much qualifications, but generally they are hard working and many start their own business.  Migrants are only allowed in when they have qualifications that we need.  There are many doctors being recruited because we do not have enough locally.   Australia has aging population and needs more people.  Of course, drug addicts, alcoholics and mentally ill people are often unemployable; that has nothing to do with migrants.  

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@icyfroth wrote:

Maybe Gary didn't want to be a Neurosurgeon.

Maybe he would have been happy as car wash attendant or a fence post digger.

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And you really think that people would not raher hire somebody local than somebody with limited English; but then again I imagine Gary's English is pretty limited too............

If people hire migrant in preference to local that is because they cannot get locals with the same qualifications or work ethics.  And considering that every migrant actually creates couple of jobs, the whole argument is moot. 

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I get what you're saying.

Thing is, the local's work ethics are too destroyed by welfare.

It's just to easy to pick up your dole  payment and spend it on grog, drugs and gambling.

Never mind family. Government pays family benefits. So what's the point of going out to find work?

So.Companies find it hard to source labourers locally and recruit overseas. 

OK. So ppl come from overseas hungry for work and a new life, but realise there are  government incentives to exploit, so why wouldn't they?

Wer'e not their people,so they don't need to particularly care about us.

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Thing is...the bogan positions are being taken up the the bogan immigrants as well. So no hope for the bogan Aussies except welfare,drugs and alcohol.

Like... what percentage of immigrants are neurosurgeons, do you know?

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There are no bogan migrants; there are some refugees without much qualifications, but generally they are hard working and many start their own business.  Migrants are only allowed in when they have qualifications that we need.  There are many doctors being recruited because we do not have enough locally.   Australia has aging population and needs more people.  Of course, drug addicts, alcoholics and mentally ill people are often unemployable; that has nothing to do with migrants.  

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er the eligiable relatives brought in later ? family , extended family , family in kind .... all highly qualified of course...