Pandemic over soon ...

with another day another 30,000+ cases within NSW the pandemic will surely end soon as they run out of the unvaccinated or will Camberra run out of unvaccinated first ? 

 

Fortunately the South Africans were correct in evaluating Omicron as being highly infectious but relatively mild - almost effectively the fourth vaccine for those fated to contract 

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@domino-710 wrote:

July 2021.

 

Now the rest of it.

 

President Joe Biden exaggerated when he spoke about the effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccine during a CNN town hall. "You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations," Biden said.   

 

This comment is in reference to that there is no live virus in the vaccines. So you won’t get covid if you have these vaccinations! WHICH IS TRUE.  Just worded a tad wrong. Probably should have stated that these vaccinations won’t give you covid. 

 

 

It is rare for people who are fully vaccinated to contract COVID-19, but it does happen. 

This comment is also true….. or WAS true, until Omicron. 

 

It was the media who blew it all out of proportion and ran with it, as they do, with all politicians!! Typical! 

 

 

This was when the vaccines were first introduced - we now know even vaccinated you can catch & pass on Covid.

 

The vaccines went from - immunity - to prevention - to protection against severe effects.

 

I don’t think the covid vaccines has ever been reported as an immunity for covid. 


 

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Jane - I think the idea - of most vaccines - is - immunity - but they take time - we weren't given ' time ' - at least - we are now ' protected ' - at best.

 

I think all thought - a vaccine being available - would give immunity - but we are now - another year down the track - and this has proven - not so.

 

What happened - from - lockdowns - mandates - which could not economically continue - the ball was put in the hands of individual responsibility - totally - dropped.

 

1 in 35 of the 8,000,000 - in NSW - are postitive.

 

That's life - now.

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From day one each vaccine's effectiveness was reported in percentages. The effectiveness was initially based on clinical trials. However, they are now able to provide more accurate data:

  • Moderna (Spikevax) vaccine over 90%
  • Pfizer (Comirnaty) vaccine over 90%
  • AstraZeneca (Vaxzevria) vaccine over 70%

No vaccine is 100% effective and no vaccine provides 100% immunity. And the effectiveness only relates to the known variants.

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We are lucky to have such effective vaccines - really a remarkable achievement. They have high protection against contracting the original virus* and even higher efficacy in preventing severe disease and death.**

* Even with the Delta variant, the current vaccines retained pretty good protection against infection and very good protection against severe disease and death. It was however obvious that boosters were needed after six months to counter waning protection against Delta. T cell (killer cell) and B cell (memory cell, which can produce tweaked antibodies against variants) protection still offer good protection against severe disease, even against variants, even though antibody presence did wane - but immune response is a complicated thing, with many different aspects interrelated.

 

** Omicron appears - so far - to be somewhat milder in that there are fewer percentages of severe illness and death than with Delta; however, studies focusing upon adverse outcomes with Omicron must take into account previous infections and/or vaccinations among patients suffering such outcomes. Part of the issue here is that with more vaccinated people becoming infected (Omicron is devilishly adept at infecting even the vaccinated and those who survived previous infection), the severity of Omicron may be being underestimated … because so many of the Omicron cases are indeed vaccinated. Hence the % of hospitalisation and ESPECIALLY cases requiring IC and dying, is going to reflect the lower % of those outcomes because the vaccines do protect significantly against severe illness and death.   Keep that in mind…    Preliminary data already indicates much higher rates of reinfection (5.4 times higher than with Delta) and immunity evasion with Omicron, with vaccines waning in their effectiveness to such a degree that booster shots after three months are indicated. Thankfully, ATAGI has already okayed the third booster shot to be administered after three months to come into effect shortly. Based on current data, the Pfizer and the Moderna vaccines - three doses - give about 75% protection against infection, and 88% protection against adverse outcomes.

 

Pfizer/BioNTech are already at work tweaking their vaccine for use against Omicron. The latest news is that an Omicron-specific version combined with the general version are likely to be combined, and that the shot will go into production in March.

 

 

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The PM ? 

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The PM ? 


 

don't ask me . . . you are the one posting it.

 

If you know it was the PM then:

- when?

- where?

- links?

 

If you don't know it was the PM then why the post?

 

It looks like you are posting for responses rather than posting facts.

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The term “pandemic of the unvaccinated” has been used by health officials and government officials. Fair enough; it was certainly playing out that way.

 

Omicron changed almost everything: immunity evasion (hence breakthrough infections).

 

It’s still the unvaccinated who represent the great majority of ICU patients. Very unfairly, it’s also the immunocompromised and the elderly and the ones with underlying conditions who are among the ones at greatest risk of severe illness and dying.

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There is no - them & us.

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You’re absolutely right. We stand or fall together.

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@domino-710 wrote:

July 2021.

 

Now the rest of it.

 

President Joe Biden exaggerated when he spoke about the effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccine during a CNN town hall. "You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations," Biden said.

It is rare for people who are fully vaccinated to contract COVID-19, but it does happen. 

 

This was when the vaccines were first introduced - we now know even vaccinated you can catch & pass on Covid.

 

The vaccines went from - immunity - to prevention - to protection against severe effects.

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Has there ever been any vaccination though that is 100% effective, where you're "not going to get it"?

My understanding is any vaccination lowers the risk, in most cases protects against getting it, but there are always exceptions.
I got whooping cough. I was fully vaccinated.

 

It just wasn't a good thing for Biden to say, where the vaccine was new then or not. Possibly if he had had time to think about it, he may have wanted to add a qualifier.

Of course, omicron has changed the game a bit too, being a different variation.


 

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