Pandemic over soon ...

[rogespeed]

with another day another 30,000+ cases within NSW the pandemic will surely end soon as they run out of the unvaccinated or will Camberra run out of unvaccinated first ? 

Fortunately the South Africans were correct in evaluating Omicron as being highly infectious but relatively mild - almost effectively the fourth vaccine for those fated to contract 

[domino-710]

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@springyzone wrote:

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@domino-710 wrote:

July 2021.

Now the rest of it.

President Joe Biden exaggerated when he spoke about the effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccine during a CNN town hall. "You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations," Biden said.

It is rare for people who are fully vaccinated to contract COVID-19, but it does happen. 

This was when the vaccines were first introduced - we now know even vaccinated you can catch & pass on Covid.

The vaccines went from - immunity - to prevention - to protection against severe effects.

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Has there ever been any vaccination though that is 100% effective, where you're "not going to get it"?

My understanding is any vaccination lowers the risk, in most cases protects against getting it, but there are always exceptions.
I got whooping cough. I was fully vaccinated.

It just wasn't a good thing for Biden to say, where the vaccine was new then or not. Possibly if he had had time to think about it, he may have wanted to add a qualifier.

Of course, omicron has changed the game a bit too, being a different variation.

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Where did I ever state - vaccinations are 100% effective.

• Measles, mumps, rubella – 95 out of every 100 people vaccinated will be completely immune.
• Whooping cough  – about 85 out of every 100 people vaccinated will be completely immune.

And this depends on when contact was made - every vaccine can take up to 7-21 days to become effective .

My understanding is any vaccination lowers the risk, in most cases protects against getting it, but there are always exceptions.

Totally wrong as has been proven with the Covid vaccines - the vaccinated can still catch & pass Covid.

When Biden made that statement - with qualifier - the vaccines were touted as giving immunity - later found to be wrong.

Omicron has certainly changed the game more than just a ' bit ' - 448,000 cases in the US today.

Here :

Australia is having a first-hand lesson in exponential mathematics, as Omicron repaints how we're living with COVID.

Just 11 days ago, the country hit 10,000 cases a day for the first time. 

Yesterday we hit six figures, with plenty of wiggle room — 116,000 cases were reported.

But an even bigger number awaits — sometime in the next 24 hours, the nation will likely hit a million recorded cases over the course of the pandemic, with the tally reaching about 880,000 on Saturday.

They say a week is a long time in politics, but it feels like you could almost carbon date some of the information we've processed about Omicron over the past week.

Rules have changed, our systems are creaking under the pressure and Australians wonder what comes next.

[springyzone]

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@domino-710 wrote:

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Domino-Where did I ever state - vaccinations are 100% effective.

I never said you did. I was commenting about Biden's statement. It was poorly worded.

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Domino-And this depends on when contact was made - every vaccine can take up to 7-21 days to become effective .

Yes of course and as I said, I caught whooping cough even though vaccinated. I caught it a couple of years after vaccination I think.

My understanding is any vaccination lowers the risk, in most cases protects against getting it, but there are always exceptions.

Domino-Totally wrong as has been proven with the Covid vaccines - the vaccinated can still catch & pass Covid.

I am a bit puzzled by this. How is it totally wrong to say a vaccination lowers the risk of getting that particular illness? There would be no point in getting vaccinated unless it did.
I said in most cases it protects against getting it but there are always exceptions. Of course the vaccinated can still catch covid, that is exactly what my sentence was saying. Of course if someone gets covid, they can pass it on.

From my reading, the situation is that you are less likely to catch covid if vaccinated and if you do catch it, less likely to have a serious bout of it.  That doesn't mean you can't catch it or get a serious bout, even if vaccinated. Just that you are less likely.

Omicron isn't exactly the same as delta, as we all know. It is catchier and seems to have a higher reinfection rate. And our vaccines aren't currently tweaked for it.

We shouldn't be surprised by the upsurge in cases, it was totally expected and predicted. Authorities were very well aware.

If you recall, in Dec they were forecasting up to 30,000 cases a day in NSW by the end of Jan. At the time, NSW was only getting a couple of hundred cases a day but omicron was already taking over.

The authorities knew that Christmas/New Year would be super spreader events but with over 90% double vaxxed, they weren't about to throw us all into lockdown again. Of course, it spread even faster than predicted but they did know an upsurge was coming. That's why I am not impressed by governments and the shortage of RAT kits and difficulty with getting a PCR test. They had a month to prepare, they weren't taken unaware.

Omicron has changed the game but I don't think all the data is in. It may be changing things for the better, long term, if it drives out delta and turns out to be a milder version of covid.

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[domino-710]

Perhaps it is in your wording - the current discussion is Covid.

My understanding is any vaccination lowers the risk, in most cases protects against getting it, but there are always exceptions.

In this case - ' in most cases protects against getting it ' - the Covid vaccines do not protect against getting it.

I got whooping cough - I too was fully vaccinated.

However I have never had measles. lol

[rogespeed]

With nett :   - (minus) 704 active cases today looks like Canberra has run out of the highly  infectable unvaxxed , prone to active status candidates ahead of time presuming the high recovery rates are maintained - will tomorrow disappoint ? 

COVID Live website 

[k1ooo-slr-sales]

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@rogespeed wrote:

With nett :   - (minus) 704 active cases today looks like Canberra has run out of the highly  infectable unvaxxed , prone to active status candidates ahead of time presuming the high recovery rates are maintained - will tomorrow disappoint ? 

COVID Live website 

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they haven't yet set up a mechanism for reporting of positive RAT results yet nor made it mandatory (like NSW have).

[k1ooo-slr-sales]

this, from an ABC news story about NSW case numbers:

NSW records 53,000 COVID infections from rapid antigen tests in less than eight hours

Customer Service Minister Victor Dominello said 53,909 people had registered their infection in line with the new rules which make self-reporting mandatory.

"Of (the 53,000 people) 34,249 had COVID in the last seven days, so about two thirds, and the other third have come from January 1 on," Mr Dominello told Nine Radio.

Case numbers plummeted from a peak of more than 45,000 on January 7 to just 20,200 in two days after people were urged to use rapid tests instead of battling long queues for lab swabs.

Source:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-12/nsw-covid-19-deadliest-day-of-pandemic/100751174

[papermoon.lady]

Yes, Dom, the vaccinated get it too, in particular Omicron, and the percentage of vaccinated vs unvaccinated people in ICU in NSW is currently 50-50:

"The number of people being treated for the virus in hospital has grown to 2,242 and 175 people are in intensive care, with half of ICU patients unvaccinated."

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-12/nsw-covid-19-deadliest-day-of-pandemic/100751174

[springyzone]

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@domino-710 wrote:

Perhaps it is in your wording - the current discussion is Covid.

My understanding is any vaccination lowers the risk, in most cases protects against getting it, but there are always exceptions.

In this case - ' in most cases protects against getting it ' - the Covid vaccines do not protect against getting it.

I got whooping cough - I too was fully vaccinated.

However I have never had measles. lol

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Yes, you could be right about my wording. I think I am saying things clearly but sometimes when I reread, I can see it could be better worded.  Like Biden I guess. Just lucky I am not a politician.

I think the thing with the covid vaccinations is they were developed more for delta and omicron is a different variant.

I know the flu vaccine is a little bit different every year to target the main strains they anticipate will be around and it may be that the covid vaccines will need to be like that in future. If they become a yearly jab like the flu, that is.

From what I have seen, the covid vaccine did seem to work with delta. It's only anecdotal but my sister in law never came down with covid, even though she shared coffee and soft drink with her husband when he would definitely have been positive with covid. Of course they didn't realise at that stage.

And in Vic in the ICU wards, nearly all the patients are unvaxxed so it would seem vaccination definitely protects most people from the more serious effects of covid if they do happen to come down with it.

I am not sure where you are from domino but I am in Melb suburbia and at the moment, I feel like I am surrounded by an absolute covid explosion. I don't know how else to describe it. If you are here or NSW you'll probably know what I mean.

I went from knowing no one who had had it to now, just about everyone I know has family members with it. Those who have been vaccinated seem to be getting it mildly. My anti vaxx friend and her husband are also down with it. He (although unvaxxed) got it mildly but she has been in bed sick the last 8 days. It just seems to be very catchy and is everywhere and I think you are right in that the vaccination isn't anywhere as effective against omicron.

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[rogespeed]

Clinical tests were supposed to be at least double-blind .... but is that literal or legal blindness......    ( warning : intended metaphor and/or play on words) 

[rogespeed]

I have a reputation for " biting the hand that feeds me "  , sort of an expression of sincerity