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***super_nova*** · ‎12-04-2015

From January 2016 parents who do not vaccinate their kids will lose up to $15 000 in allowances/concessions, except in cases of medical and some religious reasons.

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Voltaire: “Those Who Can Make You Believe Absurdities, Can Make You Commit Atrocities” .

raptor_rebooted · ‎13-04-2015

There are many cases of people contracting measles after the MMR, vaccine strain polio, flu like symptoms following H1N1. There is no question that these people are therefore contagious.

Fortunately, vaccine shedding is not usually a problem because:

most vaccines are not live and don't shed, including DTaP, Tdap, flu shots, Hib, hepatitis A and B, Prevnar, IPV, and the HPV and Meningococcal vaccines
the oral polio vaccine is no longer used in the United States and many other countries where polio has been brought under control
the MMR vaccine doesn't cause shedding, except that the rubella part of the vaccine may rarely shed into breastmilk (since rubella is typically a mild infection in children, this isn't a reason to not be vaccinated if you are breastfeeding though). What about the rare case of a person developing measles after getting the MMR vaccine? In addition to being extremely rare, it would also be extremely rare for a person to transmit the vaccine virus to another person after developing measles in this way.
the chicken pox vaccine doesn't cause shedding unless your child very rarely develops a vesicular rash after getting vaccinated. However, the risk is thought to be minimal and the CDC reports only 5 cases of transmission of varicella vaccine virus after immunization among over 55 million doses of vaccine.
the rotavirus vaccine only causes shedding in stool, so can be avoided with routine hygiene techniques, such as good hand washing, and if immunocompromised peopleavoid diaper changes, etc., for at least a week after a child gets a rotavirus vaccine
transmission of the live, nasal spray flu vaccine has not been found in several settings, including people with HIV infection, children getting chemotherapy, and immunocompromised people in health-care settings

And of course, children shed viruses and are truly contagious if they aren't vaccinated and naturally develop any of these vaccine preventable diseases.

http://pediatrics.about.com/od/immunizations/a/live-vaccines.htm

oral polio vaccine is no longer used

in australia either.

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gleee58 · ‎13-04-2015

@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

I don't care to waste my time on people that use dodgy past research to back up their claims that vaccination is bad.

I have known enough people who have suffered a lifetime of pain through preventable child hood diseases to know that I would prefer immunisation, even if it is only effective enough to minimise the severity of the disease.

One of my friends from school had polio as a child and I worked with another person who had it. They'd both give anything to be free of the lingering effects. I've had a close relative have a stroke caused by chicken pox, know someone who's child was blinded by measles and another who's child died from chicken pox. So no, I don't need to bother with your dodgy information. I have done my own research and have had close family detrimentally affected by preventable disease.

So no, I do mean it. I don't care if you chose not to vaccinate but the least you could do is warn others about your choice so they can avoid contact if they choose to.
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Why are you so hostile? Please enlighten me as to what part of my research is "dodgy past research" Most of my sources are totally current. I urge you to check out 10 minutes of a Dr Suzanne Humphries lecture or google Dr Toni Bark MD. I'm not going to post endless YT links because I know alot here dont take kindly to that, but if you really want to know where I get my information from spend just 10 minutes and follow up some of either of these doctors sources.

I'm not hostile at all. I've just had family members seriously affected by so called harmless diseases that some say we don't need to be vaccinated against.

Every time I've followed any of the trails of the anti-vax crowds they inventably lead back to the same discredited sources.

Nope, I don't have time to go through it all again. And no, I don't want to see any more infants die needlessly from preventable disease, or see more infants and children suffer serious illness caused by same.

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polksaladallie · ‎14-04-2015

@secondhand-wonderland wrote:
C'mon Polks, we all know those numbers include third world countries, where they dont even have clean drinking water. You'd rather pump people full of vaccinations in develpoing countries than actually provide them with clean drinking water or sewerage infastructure...

Unlike you I'm not trying to push an agenda, I'm just sharing some information I have learnt over the last few years.

I would rather have those 1.5 million children vaccinated, which is entirely feasible. Infrastructure to improve living conditions for those 1.5 million children is not possible.

The sweet little babies and children in Australia who have died or have brain damage drank clean water.

Whooping cough: Tetanus: Rubella: Polio: Chicken pox

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polksaladallie · ‎14-04-2015

Here are some people from first world countries who did not have vaccinations.

< These are called iron lungs.

Used to try to prevent this

The man in the wheelchair had the purest drinking water in the world to drink.

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monman12 · ‎15-04-2015

"So really the only thing any of this proves is that no matter what you type into google, you will find something that relates to the key words you typed in... "

The original study is now well and truly debunked . It is a pity that the charlatan Wakefield's bogus study in 1998 was grasped by so many with no medical qualifications or basic research capabilities, and even today resonates with a few like nuts .

From BMA:

"In the decade since publication of the Lancet paper, measles vaccination rates fell in Britain. During that time, cases of measles in England and Wales rose 25-fold to 1,370 cases in 2008, according to the British Health Protection Agency."

SHW, with medical research you should search for peer reviewed papers/studies. Failing that, search within the recognised major professional medical authorities.

Our AMA: https://ama.com.au/ausmed/major-study-proves-vaccination-autism-link-myth

CDC http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism/

The BMA http://bma.org.uk/news-views-analysis/news/2013/april/programme-to-complete-mmr-vaccinations-backed-...

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debra9275 · ‎12-04-2015

here's a bit more on that Nova

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-12/parents-who-refuse-to-vaccinate-to-miss-out-on-childcare-rebat...

vicr3000 · ‎12-04-2015

About time.

Criteria is still far too loose, it needs tigtening up even more so very few loopholes.

Although the media was a bit naughty with how they reported that baby dying of whooping cough,

although it fitted the agenda that they wanted to push !!!

icyfroth · ‎12-04-2015

I think that's an infringement on civil rights.

People who are seriously anti-vax will simply shrug it off anyway.

lind9650 · ‎12-04-2015

Well, that should increase the membership of some religious sects.

Erica

raptor_rebooted · ‎12-04-2015

@lind9650 wrote:
Well, that should increase the membership of some religious sects.

Erica

lol

vicr3000 · ‎12-04-2015

@lind9650 wrote:
Well, that should increase the membership of some religious sects.

Erica

Then we can class them as a cult

azureline** · ‎12-04-2015

I don't agree, I think if they are serious, they need to make it compulsory for everyone, with the exception of medical grounds.

Are the people on incomes too high to qualify for FTB and CCR going to be exempt? looks that way and looks like discrimination.

Same again for Religious exemptions.

vicr3000 · ‎12-04-2015

Agree, but even religious grounds can be a bit iffy.

It's not like it only affects the person or people involved, it can and does affect everyone around them or could at some stage, especially if you lose that herd immunity.

Just look at the outbreaks in the US recently, for deseases that should not have occurred.

God help if small pox ever takes hold in any great numbers of people,
that would be hard to stop.

azureline** · ‎12-04-2015

No, I meant there should be no exemptions, other than medical.

I also think there should be compulsory booster shots for adults..... before they start this nonsense of forcing people on certain incomes to have them.

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