People who do not vaccinate will lose $

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From January 2016 parents who do not vaccinate their kids will lose up to $15 000 in allowances/concessions, except in cases of medical  and some religious reasons. 

[raptor_rebooted]

"After my child (who was perfectly healthy, progressing normally and reaching all milestones on time, sometimes early) was given their 18 month shots, they changed.  And they have never been the same since) and this is all coming out since this 414% increase in the schedule.

MYTH: The MMR vaccine causes autism.

FACT: The MMR vaccine does not cause autism. There is NO scientific evidence to support the theory of a link. Because signs of autism may appear around the same age that children receive the MMR vaccine, some parents believe the vaccine causes the condition. Much of the controversy over the MMR vaccine and autism came from a paper published in 1998 that suggested a link. But since then, 10 of the 13 authors of that paper have said they should not have come to this conclusion. Many large studies around the world have found no link between the MMR vaccine and autism.

Why doesnt anyone have anything to say about the 414% increase in the schedule? Does everyone who advocates mass vaccination think this is totally necessary?

the 414% refers to the USA.

here is the history of vaccine schedule

in the USA

http://vec.chop.edu/service/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-schedule/history-of-vaccine-schedule.ht...

Why cant anyone answer the question about vaccinating newborns with hep b? 

Most infections occur shortly after birth, but if newborn babies are quickly immunised (within 24 hours of birth), they can be protected from the disease.

Some people who are infected with hepatitis B have no symptoms. A small proportion of people who become infected with the hepatitis B virus develop a long-term hepatitis B infection. Babies and children who are infected with hepatitis B are less likely than adults to have symptoms of infection, but are more likely to develop chronic hepatitis B. A child who contracts chronic hepatitis B has an increased risk of developing liver disease and cancer later in life.

[gleee58]

Hep B vaccination fact sheet:

http://www.ncirs.edu.au/immunisation/fact-sheets/hepatitis-B-fact-sheet.pdf

The questions have been answered.  Unfortunately some refuse to hear the answers and only listen to the anti-vacc crowd, who do get aggressive and force their views onto people contrary to your earlier claim.

[***super_nova***]

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

C'mon Polks, we all know those numbers include third world countries, where they dont even have clean drinking water. You'd rather pump people full of vaccinations in develpoing countries than actually provide them with clean drinking water or sewerage infastructure...   

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These children died from the diseases that we vaccinate against.  You are confusing the issue.  People in developing countries need both, vaccination and improved infrastructure.

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

C'mon Polks, we all know those numbers include third world countries, where they dont even have clean drinking water. You'd rather pump people full of vaccinations in develpoing countries than actually provide them with clean drinking water or sewerage infastructure...   

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These children died from the diseases that we vaccinate against.  You are confusing the issue.  People in developing countries need both, vaccination and improved infrastructure.

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Is it me or you confusing the issue? They didn't die because they weren't vaccinated they died because they live in third world conditions and don't have access to proper treatment when they get sick.  They are also extremely undernourished so diseases that can present as relatively mild in a healthy person, can kill someone who cant properly fight the disease. 

Ask a person living in a poverty striken part of Africa where polio is not an issue.  "What would prefer a polio vaccine or access to clean drinking water?" I think you know what the answer will be there.

[k0llectable5]

I have only mentioned autism once in this whole thread and that was in reference to the vaccination courts in America having paid out 84 autism related vaccine damage cases.  I have never said anything about MMR causing autism.  I'm talking about the possible effects of such a massive increase in the vaccination schedule (even if it's not 414% here in Australia it is still a massive increase)

There are currently 2 former Merck employee whistleblowers Virologists Stephen Krahling and Joan Wlochowski, who are accusing Merck of publishing fraudulant material in their vaccine studies.The case which commenced in 2010 has gone federal   United States vs Merck and Co. These are the current charges against Merck;

• Merck knowingly falsified its mumps vaccine test results to fabricate a “95% efficacy rate” by spiking blood tests with animal antibodies to make it appear like increased immune antibodies had been created in response to the vaccine.
• Merck’s falsified results were used to swindle the U.S. government out of “hundreds of millions of dollars for a vaccine that does not provide adequate immunization.”
• Merck’s fraudulent and criminal behaviors have contributed to the increased prevalence of mumps in American children.
• The Merck vaccine fraud has been occurring since the late 1990’s.
• Vaccine testing was never done against “real-world” mumps viruses, and instead they falsified results to achieve their desired outcome.
• The fraud took place “with the knowledge, authority and approval of Merck’s senior management.”
• These two Merck scientists “witnessed firsthand the improper testing and data falsification in which Merck engaged to artificially inflate the vaccine’s efficacy findings.”

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

C'mon Polks, we all know those numbers include third world countries, where they dont even have clean drinking water. You'd rather pump people full of vaccinations in develpoing countries than actually provide them with clean drinking water or sewerage infastructure...   

Unlike you I'm not trying to push an agenda, I'm just sharing some information I have learnt over the last few years.  

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I would rather have those 1.5 million children vaccinated, which is entirely feasible.  Infrastructure to improve living conditions for those 1.5 million children is not possible.

The sweet little babies and children in Australia who have died or have brain damage drank clean water.

       

Whooping cough:  Tetanus:  Rubella:  Polio:  Chicken pox

[***super_nova***]

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

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Is it me or you confusing the issue? They didn't die because they weren't vaccinated they died because they live in third world conditions and don't have access to proper treatment when they get sick.

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Which bit of:  "1.5 million children under the age of 5 died from vaccine-preventable diseases in 2008" is so difficult to understand?    If they were vaccinated they would not need to access the proper treatment. 

In any case, vaccination and providing clean drinking water is not mutually exclusive.  If the money spent by the anti-vaccination lobby, and the money spent defending the vaccination safety, was instead spent vaccinating and helping developing countries, children all over the world would be better off.

[k0llectable5]

You would rather have them vaccinated than have access to proper medical treatment and clean drinking water? Do you have shares in a parma company or something? Because that really is something else...

[raptor_rebooted]

I have only mentioned autism once in this whole thread and that was in reference to the vaccination courts in America having paid out 84 autism related vaccine damage cases.  I have never said anything about MMR causing autism.

what was your comment re the changes after

18 months in reference to?  

as far as i know, that has only been connected

to MMR and autism.

what shots are given at 18 months and what 

'changes' are believed to be caused by them?

[k0llectable5]

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

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Is it me or you confusing the issue? They didn't die because they weren't vaccinated they died because they live in third world conditions and don't have access to proper treatment when they get sick.

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Which bit of:  "1.5 million children under the age of 5 died from vaccine-preventable diseases in 2008" is so difficult to understand?    If they were vaccinated they would not need to access the proper treatment. 

In any case, vaccination and providing clean drinking water is not mutually exclusive.  If the money spent by the anti-vaccination lobby, and the money spent defending the vaccination safety, was instead spent vaccinating and helping developing countries, children all over the world would be better off.

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Honestly I've enjoyed this discussion, but this is now getting ridiculous. I cannot believe you think that vaccination trumps clean drinking water and proper treatment and two people have given kudos for that post. You've been completely brainwashed, more so than any religious person.  To you vaccines are God.  Heck people wont ever need to go to the doctor ever again if they all just vaccinate themselves senseless.    And this is the cruxt of your arguement here.  By all means feel free to post whatever you like on this topic, but I'm sorry I cant really take you seriously after that..