on โ28-12-2014 11:28 PM
on โ29-12-2014 09:02 AM
@polksaladallie wrote:When the west manages to provide underdeveloped countries with sufficient food and medical care, their populations will decline, because now they have a lot of children so that some will survive.
Is that really the case?
I'd have thought it is due to "loving" without contraception (which I suppose is medical care.)
DEB
on โ29-12-2014 09:13 AM
They have their own forms of contraception, it is the arrogant west who believe otherwise.
They have many children because they know that some will die and they are needed to work for the family.
on โ29-12-2014 09:21 AM
What ever the reason, it is a fact that when you lift people from extreme poverty their number of children will decrease. It is happening in Bangladesh and other Asian countries, and to some degree in Africa. Helping to develop these countries is helping the world. But we, in the developed countries, have to get used to the idea that we cannot go on polluting and expect to have more and more. We need to develop alternative energy, even if those who do not believe that we are causing the climate to change, should realise that we cannot keep polluting the planet and not to pay for it one way or other; mostly by our health.
on โ29-12-2014 10:52 AM
Materialist success has come at the cost of the environment
The world's population stood at about a billion at the start of the 19th century, but has grown to more than 7 billion today. That growth was both a cause and a consequence of economic development and the technological advance it promotes.
...And let's broaden the focus from poor ailing Oz to the whole world.
The first weakness in this materialist success story is obvious: this economic growth was spread very unevenly...
The other big weakness in the success story is, of course, what we've done to the quality of the environment. There's been a long-term decline in biodiversity worldwide. Emissions of carbon dioxide have been rising since the industrial revolution, with its shift to fossil fuels such as coal and oil.
Although almost all the greenhouse gases that have built up in the atmosphere since the early 19th century are the result of economic activity in the developed countries, China's huge population and remarkably rapid industrialisation mean it has now taken over from the US as the world's largest emitter.
Something tells me that, from here on, climate change and other environmental damage will be the main factor limiting the spread of industrialisation and prosperity to the remaining less-developed parts of the world.
Ross Gittins is the economics editor.
on โ29-12-2014 03:21 PM
@siggie-reported-by-alarmists wrote:
@poddster wrote:Didn't Herr Hitler attempt to control the intelligence and the direction of the worlds population.
That failed.
Hitler did attempt to control the population......, and only wanted a certain type to become pregnant.
Hitler wasnt the first:
Germany must perish:
"Since Germans are the perennial disturbers of the world's peace, ... they must be dealt with like any homicidal criminals. But it is unnecessary to put the whole German nation to the sword. It is more humane to sterilize them"
Theodore Newman Kaufman
on โ30-12-2014 08:50 AM
Oh sorry did I kill this thread?
on โ30-12-2014 09:58 AM
@lal-au0 wrote:
@kathys.clown14 wrote:Would you suggest zero population growth or a limited population growth?
hhmmm actually i would like a negative population growth. like 1.2 children/woman.
we live on a planet. there is FINITE arable land, there are FINITE resources. we can NOT expand and "grow the economy" forever. it just does not work like that.
unless we find another planet with an incredible amount of resources very close to earth ( which there isn't) we can not maintain growth without wiping out ourselves.
OOPSIES!!! I had .8 too much children.
my bad...
on โ30-12-2014 10:19 AM
I would never presume to tell anyone else to have... or not have.... children but sometimes the reasons they do are questionable.
I obviously have too many.............
on โ30-12-2014 10:48 AM
@am*3 wrote:Materialist success has come at the cost of the environment
Something tells me that, from here on, climate change and other environmental damage will be the main factor limiting the spread of industrialisation and prosperity to the remaining less-developed parts of the world.
Development of alternative energy is the most important single issue, and the rest of the world is heading that way. Many jobs in other countries are being created in the sustainable energy field. Australia is going to miss out. Yep, our powerbills are bit cheaper than in Europe, but we will be paying later, and we will be paying many times more.
on โ30-12-2014 10:52 AM
@polksaladallie wrote:They have their own forms of contraception, it is the arrogant west who believe otherwise.
They have many children because they know that some will die and they are needed to work for the family.
But the other forms of contraception are not as effective. And in countries where people have less than $1 to live on, even condoms are totally out of reach.