QANTAS in the news again

[rogespeed]

Seems the suits at QANTAS are going to retrench 6000 odd workers - i hope there is an effective assistance package 

This of course implies that QANTAS is reducing flight-travel-routes - I am sure Virgin II will take up any slack....

[eol-products]

What you should be saying is they wont be increasing many flight routes especially international anytime soon. With border closures not many are flying and I have started looking at local travel within NSW myself rather than flying which was something I did regularly and enjoyed the perks it offered.

[davidc4430]

if qantas arnt flying they can hardly be expected to keep all the workers on the payroll

thats just a fact of life

they will of course be subject to severance packages

i think i heard its 6,000 out of some 30,000 workers so its not like everyones being let go

[jetho1680]

Alan Joyce had been in discussions with Morrison & Frydenberg very recently to do with further support packages.

Announcing that 6000 people are to be retrenched,  either the talks failed or was some future financial agreement reached

when they are back in the air, and had to reduce the staff numbers.

We the people are rarely privy to "closet" discussions, whatever transpired it is 6000 people with no job

[rogespeed]

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@eol-products wrote:

What you should be saying is they wont be increasing many flight routes especially international anytime soon. With border closures not many are flying and I have started looking at local travel within NSW myself rather than flying which was something I did regularly and enjoyed the perks it offered.

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When the pandemic is over they will not have enough staff to service as many international flights unless is expected a drastic reductions in passengers 

Maybe pandemic time will change people priorities - more in line with what nature has been hinting at...there has been fresh clear air for the first time in living memory in many cities

[rogespeed]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

if qantas arnt flying they can hardly be expected to keep all the workers on the payroll

thats just a fact of life

they will of course be subject to severance packages

i think i heard its 6,000 out of some 30,000 workers so its not like everyones being let go

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Job keeper was supposed to financially sustain current workforces - if so is clearly not pandemic driven , seems more a change in business plan 

[davewil1964]

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@rogespeed wrote:

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@davidc4430 wrote:

if qantas arnt flying they can hardly be expected to keep all the workers on the payroll

thats just a fact of life

they will of course be subject to severance packages

i think i heard its 6,000 out of some 30,000 workers so its not like everyones being let go

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Job keeper was supposed to financially sustain current workforces - if so is clearly not pandemic driven , seems more a change in business plan 

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Jobseeker runs out in 3 months.

And a lot of the targetted workers would be earning a lot more than $750 per week.

I suspect the change in business plan is that Qantas don't expect to be running international flights in the foreseeable future, as they have stated. They are warehousing a lot of their planes, so they don't need as many people to run them.

[rogespeed]

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@davewil1964 wrote:

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@rogespeed wrote:

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@davidc4430 wrote:

if qantas arnt flying they can hardly be expected to keep all the workers on the payroll

thats just a fact of life

they will of course be subject to severance packages

i think i heard its 6,000 out of some 30,000 workers so its not like everyones being let go

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Job keeper was supposed to financially sustain current workforces - if so is clearly not pandemic driven , seems more a change in business plan 

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Jobseeker runs out in 3 months.

And a lot of the targetted workers would be earning a lot more than $750 per week.

I suspect the change in business plan is that Qantas don't expect to be running international flights in the foreseeable future, as they have stated. They are warehousing a lot of their planes, so they don't need as many people to run them.

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There might be some significant increase in demand for regional and interstate flights as people visit their own national backyard . I hope so for the economy and also it gives Australia more credibilty if more of it's citizens have actually visited famous venues and the more obscure ones 

As for mass layoffs , we must be careful not to fall that habit , cyclic mass layoffs and mass hirings ,as our system has not evolved to deal with that efficiently - by design we sacrifice a slightly lower standard of living in exchange for citizen's economic stability and assistance for the needy ( the deserved of not so deserved) 

[icyfroth]

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@rogespeed wrote:

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@davewil1964 wrote:

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@rogespeed wrote:

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@davidc4430 wrote:

if qantas arnt flying they can hardly be expected to keep all the workers on the payroll

thats just a fact of life

they will of course be subject to severance packages

i think i heard its 6,000 out of some 30,000 workers so its not like everyones being let go

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Job keeper was supposed to financially sustain current workforces - if so is clearly not pandemic driven , seems more a change in business plan 

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Jobseeker runs out in 3 months.

And a lot of the targetted workers would be earning a lot more than $750 per week.

I suspect the change in business plan is that Qantas don't expect to be running international flights in the foreseeable future, as they have stated. They are warehousing a lot of their planes, so they don't need as many people to run them.

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There might be some significant increase in demand for regional and interstate flights as people visit their own national backyard . I hope so for the economy and also it gives Australia more credibilty if more of it's citizens have actually visited famous venues and the more obscure ones 

As for mass layoffs , we must be careful not to fall that habit , cyclic mass layoffs and mass hirings ,as our system has not evolved to deal with that efficiently - by design we sacrifice a slightly lower standard of living in exchange for citizen's economic stability and assistance for the needy ( the deserved of not so deserved) 

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I see Virgin got sold. To Bain Capital, whoever they may be...

The company behind the successful bid for Virgin Australia, Bain Capital, has vowed to keep thousands of jobs, honour all employee entitlements and carry forward all travel credits and Velocity frequent flyer booked flights.

Who are Bain Capital?

Bain Capital was founded in 1984 by Bain & Company partners Mitt Romney, T. Coleman Andrews III, and Eric Kriss. In addition to the three founding partners, the early team included Geoffrey S. Rehnert and others from Bain & Company.

[rogespeed]

So now no significant international flights for maybe a year - so what about interstate/regional flights incl NZ ?

People not so enthusiastic ? The cost , maybe ? or do we rather prefer to drive ? and so have the freedom of private transport usage at the distination ? maybe ?

Solution to encourage passenger uptake ? 

Well maybe in order to enable plane users to enjoy the freedom of car vehicle transport the airlines could create / buy or negociate with car hire companies to enable low cost car hire at the flight destination -  to appeal to even struggle class 

Need not be the latest merc 

Once the teeming masses catch on to truly affordable flights and car rental there maybe a huge resergance in regional/interstate travel and touring -  may even compensate for the loss of international flights as overhead costs will be so much less 

Demand may justify many new routes - and so access to more interesting and entertaining destinations