Refugees in Germany

[kilroy_is_here]

do the refugees in Germany not realise that they are playing with fire , by aggressively flooding Germany's boarders and acting up once there , do they not realise that they are playing into the hands of the Neo nazi's, do they not remember history , ifear for the world if the average German be comes disenfranchised and angry as the nazi movement is long way from dead. History has shown and continues to show that what has been before can be again

[bluecat*dancing]

Oh, I just took it for granted that you were referring to asylum seekers but if you were actually referring to real illegal immigrants you may be right. Most illegal immigrants arrive by plane and if I remember correctly, most originate from Great Britain. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

[debra9275]

You are 100 % correct there Blue

but  I think China is currently in top spot

[bluecat*dancing]

That does happen occasionally,Deb.

[bluecat*dancing]

LOL 99% correct.

[debra9275]

 99.5 % then

[bluecat*dancing]

Sold!

[raptor_rebooted]

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@bluecat*slowdancing wrote:
Oh, I just took it for granted that you were referring to asylum seekers but if you were actually referring to real illegal immigrants you may be right. Most illegal immigrants arrive by plane and if I remember correctly, most originate from Great Britain. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

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MAJORITY of them just overstayed their visas.

easily fixed.   

I have overstayed my visa. Will I be detained if I come into an immigration office?

The department generally does not detain people if they work with us toward finalising their immigration matter.

The Australian Government established the Community Status Resolution Service (CSRS) to give people living or working unlawfully in Australia the chance to re-engage and resolve their immigration status. This approach is provided as an alternative to immigration detention for people working with us voluntarily.

In these circumstances, we could grant you a bridging visa to allow you to remain in the community temporarily until your immigration matter is finalised.

[raptor_rebooted]

Why don't you lobby the government to stop being a signatory?

why do that?

why not change the outdated 

regulations?

Rudd has implied the government might call for the 62-year-old agreement to be modified to reflect current movements of displaced people.

This could make it easier for Australia to reject refugee applications from those it deems to be economic migrants rather than persons fleeing persecution or war.

The convention was introduced in 1951 to protect Europeans fleeing World War II and was updated in 1967 to remove geographical and time limits.

Professor Evans says that while he does not believe Australia would ever walk away from its obligations under the convention, there are some issues that could be addressed.

"I can't believe that Australia would ever walk away from our obligations under the convention. But at the same time I think we have to recognise that for decades actually there have been concerns about the applicability of the convention to the circumstances of the 21st century compared with the post-World War II years when it was first created."

[raptor_rebooted]

interesting read:

Is it now necessary, considering the present global climate, to distinguish between those who displaced for economic security and those who are fleeing violence? How can we determine this, and should they be treated differently?

These are questions not addressed by a refugee convention crafted in an age in which displaced persons were almost always both. The terminology and provisions provide primarily only to those who have already reached their destination, and does little to account for the mass groups of internally displaced persons our world is now faced with.

Despite the supposably unifying power of the Convention, and the Declaration itself, the idea of ‘collective responsibility,’ is little more than flippant idealism. Dealing with, in many cases, multiple fronts of conflict and refugee influxes as well as conflicting regional values, it is feasible for an outdated and ineffectually enforced document to be the singular touchstone for regional and global cooperation? The crisis of refugees is more than simply a collective moral responsibility, its a case of simple political pragmatism.

An issue that is only likely to worsen, it should not be looked upon as the product of simple statistics. Often overlooked is the fact that the convention is dealing with the daily reality of real people – and change to the convention it is a political choice that needs to be made on the foundation of a unifying document that is in keeping with both the attitudes, and the issues now faced by global governance. 

Substantive reflects principle – the Convention and Protocol relating to the Status of Refugees is not simply the ugly stepsister to the UN Declaration on Human Rights. If the United Nations Protocol is to be a legally binding, enforceable document, it should be subject to the same scrutiny as any law, and further, if the UNHCR is going to continue to champion themselves as the overarching factor of accountability for the treatment of refugees, perhaps its time they acted it.

There is principle, and there is practicality. For the 1951 Convention, the age of practicality has come and gone any new order must ensure principles for which it once stood are not lost as well. The 1951 and 1967 protocols may be the only legal instruments relating specifically to the treatment of refugees, but that doesn’t mean they should be.

http://www.iapss.org/2015/09/01/not-the-change-we-want-but-the-change-we-need-the-un-convention-on-r...

[opmania]

Now is the time for change.

Later will be too late. 

Western society needs to do away with political

Correctness.Stop focusing on caring for 

Underpriviledged and turn their focus towards

Looking out for themselves.

Why fight for a people that run from their own

Wars.

There are many needy people in this world who

Would appreciate more what is being done for

Them than this multitude of troublemakers