Reporter and cameraman shot dead in Virginia during live broadcast

[j*oono]

Wow.  This is terrible.

Reporter and cameraman shot dead in Virginia during live broadcast

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/26/virginia-gunman-kills-reporter-cameraman?CMP=share_bt...

Here is one from News dotcom

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/two-dead-after-shooter-attacks-tv-crew-during-live-interv...

[iapetus_rocks]

I suppose that soon we will find out what the motive was for this live to air tv murder and who the perpetrator is.

Americans will no doubt decry such an act while still fiercely defending their 2nd amendment rights.

How much more fierce an argument does one need to encourage a revisit of the 2nd amendment and consider amending it?

I've argued this many times before with our American friends and the only thing I can say to them is, When you get so heartily sick and tired of all the deaths and injuries which your 2nd amendment freedoms confer on you, then maybe you'll think again.

it's not as if America is any stranger to the concept of limitations of the freedoms of its citizens, is it?

[j*oono]

It's pretty shocking isn't it.  The cameraman Adam Ward managed to get a shot of him on his camera as he fell to the ground.

When is enough enough?  There has to be a change in gun laws, surely?  You can't expect that the right to bear arms is going to protect you in these kind of situations.  It's just so wrong.

[iapetus_rocks]

There's nothing we can do about it. It's a problem for the Americans and they must choose their own solution, even though it might seem to us that they choose to do nothing, justifying their inaction as a  defense of their freedoms.

They are free to die by the hands of their fellow citizens wielding their 2nd amendment right guaranteed guns.

The 2nd amendment protects the rights of people who want to own guns but it denies the rights of citizens who want to live in a society where they are not threatened by death at the hands of freedom-loving gun-crazy loonies.

It's a problem for them. They'll work it out one day.

[nevynreally]

For those who don't click on links, police suspected a former employee of the station. 

And he's apparently shot and killed himself.

Sad for the victims loved ones.

[iapetus_rocks]

I'm thinking he should have bypassed the middleman and just shot himself if that's what he wanted to do.

I have a singularly unsympathetic attitude towards people who choose to be mad and who act out their madness at the expense of other people.

[this-one-time-at-bandcamp]

It would require the entire management of the NRA, and their families,to be gunned down for any restriction on the now un-fettered gun laws to be considered, and even then it would be unlikely.......politicians are so afraid of getting on their "black list", that no traction will ever be developed.

Americans "lubs my guns"...........and our hands are tied by the founding fathers, who would have had no idea what they created.  Whenever a school or mall shooting occurs, some cretin raises the "false flag" conspiracy theory.

And a gun is so easy to obtain. I can walk into a gun dealer, fill out a form, and unless I have any one of a short number of "lags" in 10 minutes I could be fondling it. A 4-hour gun safety and training course, and I have a certificate allowing me to apply for a concealed weapons permit.  Oregon is a "shall carry" state, which means, in effect, I am guaranteed a permit, once another background check is completed, and I have coughed up $65 for the license, and $35 for the firearms training course.  I can speak authoritatively, because that is the procedure I did go through in Oregon.

The thing I don't understand is some gun owners insisting on open carry.......that is having their weapon displayed on their belt or over their shoulder, and then getting incensed because they are asked to leave businesses.  Their claim that, "I am one of the good guys" is meaningless.  Every one is a good guy.......until they aren't.

Oddly enough, it is said that the number of gun owners in America is decreasing, while the number of guns is increasing.  This is due to the paranoia of a segment of society who is sure that the "New World Order" will insist Obama seize their guns, and is stockpiling weapons and ammo.  If that should ever come to pass, their refrain, "You will have to pull it from my cold, dead hand" will be a reality.

[nevynreally]

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

I'm thinking he should have bypassed the middleman and just shot himself if that's what he wanted to do.

I have a singularly unsympathetic attitude towards people who choose to be mad and who act out their madness at the expense of other people.

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Ideal.

Sadly, he and those like him will be remembered more than the innocent lives they take.

The ancient Egyptians had it right, scrub them from all records. Not worth remembering.

[nevynreally]

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@this-one-time-at-bandcamp wrote:

.and our hands are tied by the founding fathers, who would have had no idea what they created. 

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Not really. The founding fathers drafted their ideals based on a war for independence from England. It was a time of war, and a time when every man needed a gun in order to survive. Todays Americans don't need it, for some it's a crutch they use, for others it's a symbol of power that they obviously don't feel they have, and then there's the looneys.

[iapetus_rocks]

I don't think it odd at all that the number of gun owners in America is decreasing.

These are the people who want a civil and safe society. These are the people who vote and one day, there will be enough of them to vote and change that 2nd amendment.

It's going to take a long time and it's going to take many more dead US citizens until people wake up to the fact that in a truly civilised society, no one wants to carry a gun and no one needs to.

Evolution works slowly, but there is a certain inevitability about it.

People who carry guns and who draw their guns in public run a high risk of being killed.

Gun lovers in America will eventually die out, if only by natural attrition.

I know what it's like in the USA and like I said to other Americans, it's such that i don't want to walk around in such a society that America misses out on my tourist dollars.

Magnify that by a few million or so. It's bad for Business. surely that's enough to get attention.